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    My First Cycle While on HRT. Thoughts?

    This is my first cycle while on HRT, so if something seems a little off please don't flame me. If you have any suggestions It would be much appreciated to hear them.

    Weeks 1-4 50mg Anadrol ED
    Weeks 1-15 750mg Test E
    Weeks 10-15 100mg Anavar
    Weeks 1-17 12.5 or 25mg Aromasin EOD or ED????

    I am on HRT, so I do not need to do a PCT

    Thoughts on Aromasin dosing and length of time taken.
    Is var recommended to be taken at a 6 week or 8 week length max?

    I am also assuming that since I'm on HRT I do not need to take HCG or is it recommended? If so, I believe that would be taken around week 8 until week 17 at 250iu 3/week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax007 View Post
    This is my first cycle while on HRT, so if something seems a little off please don't flame me. If you have any suggestions It would be much appreciated to hear them.

    Weeks 1-4 50mg Anadrol ED
    Weeks 1-15 750mg Test E
    Weeks 10-15 100mg Anavar
    Weeks 1-17 12.5 or 25mg Aromasin EOD or ED????

    I am on HRT, so I do not need to do a PCT

    Thoughts on Aromasin dosing and length of time taken.
    Is var recommended to be taken at a 6 week or 8 week length max?

    I am also assuming that since I'm on HRT I do not need to take HCG or is it recommended? If so, I believe that would be taken around week 8 until week 17 at 250iu 3/week?
    If it's a first cycle, personally, I would simply run your test E at 500 mg/wk. Drop the two orals and see how you do with a higher test dose. Orals are hepatotoxic and can cause a lot of dyspepsia and reflux disorders in many users. It would be easier and safer to run test by itself at 500mg for 12 weeks. You don't need 15. Then return to HRT

    Aromasin is typically dosed everyday because of it's shorter half life. I run aromasin at 30mg because I find it less effective than arimidex . Both are hard on lipids and cholesterol so IMO, less is better but you have to balance this with a necessary dose to control your E2 from rising.

    HCG isn't really necessary for men on HRT although some will recommend it to keep the leydig cells healthy even if the natty testosterone output is negligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    If it's a first cycle, personally, I would simply run your test E at 500 mg/wk. Drop the two orals and see how you do with a higher test dose. Orals are hepatotoxic and can cause a lot of dyspepsia and reflux disorders in many users. It would be easier and safer to run test by itself at 500mg for 12 weeks. You don't need 15. Then return to HRT

    Aromasin is typically dosed everyday because of it's shorter half life. I run aromasin at 30mg because I find it less effective than arimidex . Both are hard on lipids and cholesterol so IMO, less is better but you have to balance this with a necessary dose to control your E2 from rising.

    HCG isn't really necessary for men on HRT although some will recommend it to keep the leydig cells healthy even if the natty testosterone output is negligible.
    Thanks for the info. This is my first cycle while being on HRT. I have plenty of cycle experience prior to being on HRT.

    My aromasin comes in at 25mg per pill, so I will do that daily. How about length of time. Go until week 17 even though I have finished my test at week 15?

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    I has a long piece wrote up and it got freaking deleted on accident.

    I would blast for a shorter period of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax007 View Post
    Thanks for the info. This is my first cycle while being on HRT. I have plenty of cycle experience prior to being on HRT.

    My aromasin comes in at 25mg per pill, so I will do that daily. How about length of time. Go until week 17 even though I have finished my test at week 15?
    Run the AI until you start your HRT. Many men on HRT continue an AI, although many require a lower, less frequent dose. When I'm on HRT, I usually does my Test at 200 mg/wk and can stabilize my E2 with .50-.75mg of arimidex per week. At doses around 150 mg/wk, usually .25mg per week keeps me in normal ranges.

    It varies from man to man. If your HRT is provided by your MD, he/she should be running labs routinely (approximately every 3-4 months) to check your CBC and CMP. PSA is usually checked annually unless there is reason for greater frequency. Lipids at least once a year, again, unless you have hyperlipidemia or some other disorder that would require more frequent surveillance.

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    It is dr. prescribed and I usually go in every 3-4 months. I'm not currently on an AI while on HRT.

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    Any advice on anavar ? Take from week 12-17 or 10-15? 6 weeks or 8 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax007 View Post
    Any advice on anavar? Take from week 12-17 or 10-15? 6 weeks or 8 weeks?
    Yes, not necessary with what you're already running and with your adrol kick start. Give your liver a break.
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    Thanks kelkel, but I will be adding anavar to my cycle. I have LIV 52 for liver support, and it should be a 5 week break from the adrol.

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    Then at least switch to NAC. Liv52 is simply weak. NAC is far superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Then at least switch to NAC. Liv52 is simply weak. NAC is far superior.
    Done!

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    Any advice on the anavar ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax007 View Post
    Any advice on the anavar?
    You got great advise from Kel, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear!

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    I would only do one oral not both. Also I add the Adrol at the end not the start. But it's for getting ready for a bench contest not just a general cycle.

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    If you are going to use anavar I got the same results form it (pump and vascularity) at 50 a day as I did at 100. It is not going to give you gains that will supercede your test dose.

    Your AI will have to be tailored. You need to take aromasin with a fat (fish oil is fine) and twice a day due to the short halflife.

    Just to give you a direction...there are FAR better substances to use over the test dose of TrT-500 than more test. Using higher test locks you into high doses of AI....which are cancer drugs. If you want to know how cool cancer drugs are ask a cancer patient.... So if you are going to "break" the mantra and do more than 500 test ofr your first cycle look at non-orals like Deca /NPP. Far better returns of 350 test 400 NPP than 750 test. Again..just because you are hell bent on not following the mantra which is fine...free will is the only true power a person has.

    I do not have a lot of good things to say about Orals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier View Post
    Just to give you a direction...there are FAR better substances to use over the test dose of TrT-500 than more test. Using higher test locks you into high doses of AI....which are cancer drugs. If you want to know how cool cancer drugs are ask a cancer patient.... So if you are going to "break" the mantra and do more than 500 test ofr your first cycle look at non-orals like Deca/NPP. Far better returns of 350 test 400 NPP than 750 test. Again..just because you are hell bent on not following the mantra which is fine...free will is the only true power a person has.
    You speak as if AI's are causing serious health issues in the BB'ing community. Can you point us to a few?
    Of course it's healthier to not need an AI. It's also healthier to not use AAS, just not as much fun.
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    I was wondering how a cycle would work while on TRT. Is it as simple as just raising the test. Dosage for several weeks and them returning to the normal regimen? No form of PCT required? I've also read in medical article that recent research has shown that TRT therapy can also be cycled 4 wks on/4 wks off with the same results as continuous injections. I was wondering what a cycle would look like while on TRT (continuous injections) vs TRT (cycled injections)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave8307 View Post
    I was wondering how a cycle would work while on TRT. Is it as simple as just raising the test. Dosage for several weeks and them returning to the normal regimen? No form of PCT required? I've also read in medical article that recent research has shown that TRT therapy can also be cycled 4 wks on/4 wks off with the same results as continuous injections. I was wondering what a cycle would look like while on TRT (continuous injections) vs TRT (cycled injections)?
    Yes. You can simply raise your test dosage. Keep in mind you then need to monitor your estrogen and control it. Read Austinites "Successful First Cycle" thread in his Educational Articles Database in the AAS Q & A Forum. It lays it out for you quite nicely.

    And a big no to "cycling" TRT doses. When your body was producing test normally did it take weeks off? If you're looking for less injections read up on Aveed if in the states.
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