Deca High Prolactin and Estrogen levels

Hello,

I am on 3.week 500mg testosterone enanthate and 500 mg Deca cycle. I am planing to go 10 week. Its my first cycle
I made blood work and got this results:
Testosteron: 15 ng/ml (2.18-9.06)
Estradiol : 75.4 pg/ml (7.63-42.59)
Prolaktin : 25.6 ng/ml (4.04-15.2)

I dont have any gyno semtoms. Just feel little sensitivity on my nips. No mass or puffiness. Also i dont have deca dick, my libido is avarage.
i asked about prolaktin to endocrinologist. He said 25.6 is not dangerous. But didnt talk about estro levels. I am planing to take 0.5 mg Arimidex eod . Some friends also said think about taking nolvadex. But i was planing to take it on pct.
Whats your advice for estro levels? Thanks
Note:I didnt take arimidex from day one . Because i thought i have chance to get blood work easly, so i can wait for high eustro or gyno symptoms. I dont think its bad idea.

What are your baselines for the 3 labs you ordered?

- AI should be taken from day one.
- Dopamine agonist should be on hand when progestins are used.
- "25.6 is not high" doesn't make sense when you don't have baselines. That's likely on the climb, and fast.
- Deca should have never been part of your first cycle.

Personally, I would stop everything you're doing and start PCT. No offense, but it doesn't sound like you've done any research at all. Not to mention you're only 20 years old.

Best of luck to you.

Prolactin does not cause gyno. Prolactin causes lactation. Prolaction lactation is not dependant on oestrogen.

My prolactin is 2x range naturally. Never an issue.

Gyno revolves around estrogen level.

Sensitive nipples is not gyno. That is an indication of hormone level changes. Everyone gets that on cycle at one time or another.

You should take an AI from Day 1. Get on an AI and redo labs in a week for oestrogen. PRL is only an issue if it is an issue. PRG can cause issues but is highly unlikely unless estrogen is high. Get your estrogen down...take your AI.

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Originally Posted by austinite

What are your baselines for the 3 labs you ordered?

- AI should be taken from day one.
- Dopamine agonist should be on hand when progestins are used.
- "25.6 is not high" doesn't make sense when you don't have baselines. That's likely on the climb, and fast.
- Deca should have never been part of your first cycle.

Personally, I would stop everything you're doing and start PCT. No offense, but it doesn't sound like you've done any research at all. Not to mention you're only 20 years old.

Best of luck to you.

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-I didnt take from day one . Because i thought i have chance to get blood work easly, so i can wait for high eustro or gyno symptoms. I dont think its a bad idea.
-i have Bromocriptine on hand
-I checked prolaktin before. It was 20.
-I know its not good deca on first cycle. But i used it for my joint problems. I had triceps tendonitis and rotator cuff injurys for one year . i tried NSAİ and other classic treatments. So i was curious to see how it will effect my pain.

i am 24 years old, 2 years gym exprience. I dont think that i am that much uninformed . Stoping cycle advice is kind of radical :)

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Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Prolactin does not cause gyno. Prolactin causes lactation. Prolaction lactation is not dependant on oestrogen.

My prolactin is 2x range naturally. Never an issue.

Gyno revolves around estrogen level.

Sensitive nipples is not gyno. That is an indication of hormone level changes. Everyone gets that on cycle at one time or another.

You should take an AI from Day 1. Get on an AI and redo labs in a week for oestrogen. PRL is only an issue if it is an issue. PRG can cause issues but is highly unlikely unless estrogen is high. Get your estrogen down...take your AI.

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lI thought same thing about sensitive nipples.My base prolactin level is araound 20. So i think deca is still little efective on prolactin. High prolactin is also supressing libido a little, so it protects me from crazy testo's sex drive:D
I will take AI, and check again estro. How about Nolvadex. Do i need it on cycle?

By the way i read from some articles that hyperprolactinaemia can cause gyno. Here also i found a possible mechanism:
"Hyperprolactinemia is not believed to play a direct role in gynecomastia, although pro- lactin receptors have recently been demon- strated in gynecomastia tissue.8 Most patients with gynecomastia have normal serum pro- lactin levels.9 Moreover, not all patients with hyperprolactinemia have gynecomastia. Elevated prolactin levels may, however, sup- press gonadotropin release, producing sec- ondary hypogonadism, which then contributes to the development of gynecomastia."

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Originally Posted by xzed

lI thought same thing about sensitive nipples.My base prolactin level is araound 20. So i think deca is still little efective on prolactin. High prolactin is also supressing libido a little, so it protects me from crazy testo's sex drive:D
I will take AI, and check again estro. How about Nolvadex. Do i need it on cycle?

By the way i read from some articles that hyperprolactinaemia can cause gyno. Here also i found a possible mechanism:
"Hyperprolactinemia is not believed to play a direct role in gynecomastia, although pro- lactin receptors have recently been demon- strated in gynecomastia tissue.8 Most patients with gynecomastia have normal serum pro- lactin levels.9 Moreover, not all patients with hyperprolactinemia have gynecomastia. Elevated prolactin levels may, however, sup- press gonadotropin release, producing sec- ondary hypogonadism, which then contributes to the development of gynecomastia."

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Your on cycle. You are shut down. The hypogonadism does not apply.
Take your ai - control your e2.
Austinites advice is best but I know you will not listen so at least take your ai which you should ahve taken from jump and mange e2. It is the key as has been mentioned.
A dopamine agonist would lower prolactin but your reasoning for taking it is off. If you want you can get some prami and take it at a very mow dose .25mg, at night, before bed, with food.

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Originally Posted by xzed

i am 24 years old, 2 years gym exprience. I dont think that i am that much uninformed . Stoping cycle advice is kind of radical :)

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Xzed.........I'm 53 and have been doing this for a long time and I don't know everything. I've been working out for close to 40 years now and I'm still learning. My goal is to bench 600 in my 50s. Did 585 last year so I'm getting close.

Slow down and listen to what you're being told. With only 2 years in the gym yes you're uninformed. Be willing to listen and learn and accept criticism. Then you can make good, informed decisions.

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Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Your on cycle. You are shut down. The hypogonadism does not apply.
Take your ai - control your e2.
Austinites advice is best but I know you will not listen so at least take your ai which you should ahve taken from jump and mange e2. It is the key as has been mentioned.
A dopamine agonist would lower prolactin but your reasoning for taking it is off. If you want you can get some prami and take it at a very mow dose .25mg, at night, before bed, with food.

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Thanks for advices. I already started to take AI.
Yes i am not hypogonadic. I just mention that there is some articles says that prolactin can cause gyno. Whatever, its not that important :)

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Originally Posted by xzed

Thanks for advices. I already started to take AI.
Yes i am not hypogonadic. I just mention that there is some articles says that prolactin can cause gyno. Whatever, its not that important :)

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Well just to clarify so you understand - the gyno refered to in that blurb is due to the hypogonadal condition caudes by the prolactin. It cause an out of wack androgen.estrogen ratio, good ground for the inception of gyno. As I said - you dont have to worry about that situation on cycle.

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Xzed.........I'm 53 and have been doing this for a long time and I don't know everything. I've been working out for close to 40 years now and I'm still learning. My goal is to bench 600 in my 50s. Did 585 last year so I'm getting close.

Slow down and listen to what you're being told. With only 2 years in the gym yes you're uninformed. Be willing to listen and learn and accept criticism. Then you can make good, informed decisions.

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Good luck with your goal and thanks for advices. 2 years gym could be early for cycle,thats true. But it doesnt mean i am doing everything in wrong way. Of course i am listening what everybody told:)

Update: After my last post, i had little puffines areound nipple and it got itchy feel. At the same time i started .5 mg arimidex ed. After 5 days itchy and sensitive nipple dissapeared. But still there is some puffines.
I still dont have any lump which is good. I will countinue arimidex 5 more days with same dosage, than i will take .5 eod until pct.