Time between Propi and Enanthate

[mesophyte]

Hello

I am currently running a cycle with 450mg of testosterone propionate dosed as 150mg Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

I will be switching to testosterone enanthate which I will run at 500mg per week dosed once per week.

My question: How many days do I need to wait after my last dose of 150mg test p prior to pinning 500mg test e?

[ScotchGuard02]

You should overlap the two esters. Prop half life is 3 days while Enth half life is about 6 days.

[mesophyte]

You should overlap the two esters. Prop half life is 3 days while Enth half life is about 6 days.

I thought it was 2 days for prop and 10.5 days for enth... What do you mean by overlap? How many days should I wait?
For example, if I pin 500mg of enth 2-3 days after prop, there will still be 75mg of test floating around, is it okay for me to then inject an extra 500mg on top of that?

(I am on HCG so I am also producing natty test. I am also on Oxandrolone. This is my first cycle. I am not really sure how much test is too much for a first cycle especially while stacked like this.)

[Back In Black]

Why are you swapping esters?

[mesophyte]

Why are you swapping esters?

To pin less frequently.

[mesophyte]

Anyone?

I suspect it doesn't really matter and that I can pin 500mg of test enth 3 days after 150mg of test prop without a problem. I am not completely certain and would like some reassurance from someone experienced.

[Back In Black]

I think you should have thought about that beforehand. You will need to run a longer cycle with enanthate and will have fluctuating hormone levels throughout the transition. Not a great thing on a first cycle as you will find any sides you get difficult to control and as soon as you get them under control your levels change again and you are back to square one.

Besides you are, for some reason pinning M W F (not EOD) and would pin enanthate twice a week so would he pinning once less per week but actually more pins over the duration if you opt for the longer ester.

[Baxter35]

Maybe it wasn't the best planning, but if you're set on switching esthers I think an overlap like this would make sense. In one week, keep your m/w/f prop and add 250mg enth on Thursday, next week drop your weds prop and replace with 250 enth, then the next week drop all prop and start enth only at 250 every 3.5 days M a.m./ Thur p.m. That should let the enth start to build up while the prop keeps overall levels up for first two weeks to avoid too much of a fluctuation. Anyone else please chime in if you think that sounds off, but based on how the two esthers work I think that would work.

[Juced_porkchop]

Hello

I am currently running a cycle with 450mg of testosterone propionate dosed as 150mg Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

I will be switching to testosterone enanthate which I will run at 500mg per week dosed once per week.

My question: How many days do I need to wait after my last dose of 150mg test p prior to pinning 500mg test e?

I would start it the day after prop pin, because it takes a couple days for the peek of the teste dose. dont overthink it too much i would start the teste within 1-2 days of last prop pin or use the both for one week and just drop the prop IMO

[mesophyte]

I think you should have thought about that beforehand.

I didn't think I'd have problem with pinning. I think the hormonal changes exacerbated my low level anxiety into something quite monstrous leading to 2 very difficult days when I had to pin. True, it only happened twice out of the 10 times I pinned, but the 2 times it happened were pretty rough and one of those times I almost passed out. I want to minimize the chances of having a vasovagal syncope. The anxiety has also put me off from any injections sites other than the glutes. Again, I did not think this would be a problem initially such that my first attempt at pinning was in a deltoid and I thought at the time that it went pretty smoothly. Because I am now only pinning 2 spots, I am injecting in the same spots too frequently possibly leading to tissue damage.

You will need to run a longer cycle with enanthate and will have fluctuating hormone levels throughout the transition. Not a great thing on a first cycle as you will find any sides you get difficult to control and as soon as you get them under control your levels change again and you are back to square one.

I'm extending my cycle. I am just over 3 weeks in, if I receive my gear tomorrow or Monday as I expect I can go for anywhere from 5 to 9 more weeks of test from what I understand.

Besides you are, for some reason pinning M W F (not EOD) and would pin enanthate twice a week so would he pinning once less per week but actually more pins over the duration if you opt for the longer ester.

From what I read, pinning EOD on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, then skipping sunday to pin instead on Monday and continue this way really does not make such a big difference than if I were to pin Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday, etc as long as the weekly dose remains the same.

Following the same thought, pinning testosterone enanthate once weekly instead of twice weekly won't cause such a major difference. For therapeutic purposes I've read that test enth is injected once every 14 days and sometime longer so once at 500mg every 7 days does not seem to be any less effective than 250mg every 3.5 days overall. But I am no expert, I am basing this on information I've read online.

Maybe it wasn't the best planning, but if you're set on switching esthers I think an overlap like this would make sense. In one week, keep your m/w/f prop and add 250mg enth on Thursday, next week drop your weds prop and replace with 250 enth, then the next week drop all prop and start enth only at 250 every 3.5 days M a.m./ Thur p.m. That should let the enth start to build up while the prop keeps overall levels up for first two weeks to avoid too much of a fluctuation. Anyone else please chime in if you think that sounds off, but based on how the two esthers work I think that would work.

Does it really need to be so complicated? Couldn't I simply pin 500mg of test E on my next pinning day and from that point continue weekly at 500mg per week test e until the end of the cycle, dropping the test p altogether?

I would start it the day after prop pin, because it takes a couple days for the peek of the teste dose. dont overthink it too much i would start the teste within 1-2 days of last prop pin or use the both for one week and just drop the prop IMO

This is what I'm leaning towards, just dropping test p once my test e arrives, pin either the next day or the next scheduled pinning day and drop the test p altogether. I didn't know that it took a couple of days for the test e to get active. I guess I don't need to worry so much about timing it perfectly, just pin the next day.

Thanks everyone for your feedback. Because this is my first cycle, I'd like more feedback first from vets with more cycle experience. Please chime in!

[Baxter35]

Sorry to hear about the anxiety issues with pinning. I was trying to give you an idea for what would lead to the most stable test levels during the transition, but understanding the reason for the change obviously makes it more important that you limit the pinning sooner than later. I'll let a vet answer the question about pinning 500mg once a week. Good luck and hopefully you can find a solution that lets your anxiety go down.

[mesophyte]

In case anyone is interested, here is an update.

I didn't get any other feedback so I just made a decision and today I switched to Test enth with a 500mg shot. My last shot of test prop 150mg was on Friday and today is Sunday. I'll continue once a week with 500mg test e on sundays.

I confirmed on the insert for the gear, for therapeutic medical purposes, test e is injected at doses of up to 400mg (depending on the indication) every 2 to 4 weeks. Therefore, although I am new to all this and it is my first cycle, I really doubt that there would be much of a perceivable difference from injecting 500mg once per week versus 250mg twice per week of test e.