1 gram test VS 500 test and 500 npp

[tdoe11]

What do you prefer for lean gains? Just wondering people's opinions

[lovbyts]

Good diet and 500-600 test

[tdoe11]

Good diet and 500-600 test

Unfortunately I have ran test around 500 so many times my growth from it is minimal if any. I barely even get an increase in labido from 500mgs. That's cyp directly from the pharmacy, not ugl. I am seriously contemplating another lower test higher nandro cycle. Possibly 250-300 test and around 700 deca . I ran that once and absolutely loved it. I am reluctant to use a high dose of test, but I have most definitely hit a plateau over the last year or so, that's why I am after opinions. Any and all are welcomed . As always thank you

[marcus300]

Try one this time round and try the other cycle next, monitor your results

[tdoe11]

Try one this time round and try the other cycle next, monitor your results

That's is good advice, and probably what I will do. I would like the boost in libido from the test cycle, so I might try that one first. Thank you Marcus

[marcus300]

That's is good advice, and probably what I will do. I would like the boost in libido from the test cycle, so I might try that one first. Thank you Marcus

Both are excellent IMHO but some prefer and respond better to one than the other so best thing to do is try one and monitor yourself and log the results. You'll get libido boost from both cycle if they are managed right.

[tdoe11]

Both are excellent IMHO but some prefer and respond better to one than the other so best thing to do is try one and monitor yourself and log the results. You'll get libido boost from both cycle if they are managed right.

Yah, I seem to respond most excellent to nandro. No sides really, other than strength and growth! Gotta love it.

[athletic.guy]

If your advanced roid user, you could try 800mg test 600mg npp for 10-12 weeks. I'm just finishing up a big cycle and couldn't seem to put enough quality carbs in so ill prob stick with Tren from now on.

[tdoe11]

If your advanced roid user, you could try 800mg test 600mg npp for 10-12 weeks. I'm just finishing up a big cycle and couldn't seem to put enough quality carbs in so ill prob stick with Tren from now on.

True. I am scared to run tren . Haha. I have had a terrible time sleeping since I was a kid, I have to take a sleep aid nightly to fall asleep. Been doing it for years, so I don't think I would trade my sleep for any size gains!

[Capebuffalo]

300 test 700 npp would be my choice because of personal experience. A gram of test is a lot of test. You really would need to know your ai and how it works for you personally. Otherwise you're going to bloat or crash your e2. My .02.

[Cuz]

Ive ran a gram before and honestly I like 500 better. I get hypertension on a gram and puffy look. Hard to control estrogen im still learning for now I stick with lower doses but my 6th cycle im trying tren mainly to try and shed fat

[jimmyinkedup]

Id take the stack for me, but as was accurately pointed out what good for me may not be best for you. I also respond very well to nandrolone . I fact I use it at a varied dose every cycle even if it is just a low one for joint relief.

[SEOINAGE]

Gotta love Nandrolone . I would like to run higher test next time I bulk, but I'm really unsure how to manage the E2 right. On 500 mg I don't really need an AI, in fact I crashed my E2 with .25mgx2 a week. Also Tren isn't that scary imo, I've slept more since being on it, but I have a strict schedule and up really early, going to be different for everyone, but kind of does the opposite for me, and honestly I don't like it that much, First two weeks on it at a really low dose I liked it, then bumped it up to a still small dose but didn't make much progress beyond that, cardio capabilities has decreased a bit too, not noticing the great things others have, and you would probably think I am crazy saying I prefer a low dose winstrol over it. Test+winny+NPP is great, done as low as 250 test a week, 350 npp a week, and 30 mg winny a day, or even as low as 20 and had awesome gains.

[Mp859]

Currently running 750 test 600 deca and love it. I've ran this cycle multiple times and always have great results. I find if I run my test past 750 the bloat isn't worth it.

[Mp859]

300mg-400 npp with prop is excellent

[tectime]

Currently running 750 test 600 deca and love it. I've ran this cycle multiple times and always have great results. I find if I run my test past 750 the bloat isn't worth it.

I like 600t/400d wkly. sides easy or nonexistent, with 1mg anastrozole daily I can keep gains dry and hard. Above that with either and bloat is my biggest devil to fight down then. I'll swell up great but not the ripping look I like. Throw in tren 75 mgs eod and monster ripped vein popping swelled up goodness.

[kelkel]

I like 600t/400d wkly. sides easy or nonexistent, with 1mg anastrozole daily I can keep gains dry and hard. Above that with either and bloat is my biggest devil to fight down then. I'll swell up great but not the ripping look I like. Throw in tren 75 mgs eod and monster ripped vein popping swelled up goodness.

Damn, that's a whopper amount of dex.

[athletic.guy]

Damn, that's a whopper amount of dex.

I was just thinking that. I thought that dose would better suit 1g test + 600mg deca week.... Correct me if I'm wrong ???

[Times Roman]

What do you prefer for lean gains? Just wondering people's opinions

500 mg/week on deca (nandralone) can be a bit much if one is subject to the effects of sexual sides. You might want to ease up into that dose rate, test the waters, and see how sensitive you are to these effects. Some are not bothered by NPP. Others are very sensitive to their effects.

just my .02

[tectime]

All depends on your ato rate. My bf stays around 11/12 all the time and my estrogen conversion is still higher then most. At 1 mg anastrozole my estrogen stays around 25 right where I like it. After years of this you can get it dailed in good. Someone's dose of anastrozole should always be based on bloodwork not what is popular on an open forum. I read sll the time how someone says take .25 a every three days and then a month later crying how their suffering from estrogen related sides, then someone tells them they have crashed their e so they cut back and the problem escalates. No one should ever tell anyone how much anything to use except your doctor or by your bloodwork if you can interpret it yourself. Saying what works for you is cool but advising medical information should be left to professional personnel. And some of you all be drs, nurses, np, med assist. whatever if your not my doc I'm looking in the face when we discuss my bloods then it's all just an opinion.

[kelkel]

That's a good E2 number to maintain. And yes, experience and BW tells all. But for 99% of the people here finding a doctor to guide them is simply not going to happen. Most won't even broach the topic with their doctor and for good reason. If it were not for forums such as this where information flows from people of all knowledge levels and walks of life there would be many guys causing serious harm to themselves due to misinformation.

Advising medical information? This is a steroid forum and the majority of us speak from personal knowledge. Some of us have decades of experience. That said, anyone who blindly follows any advice without doing basic, fundamental research is foolish at best.

[Times Roman]

Advising medical information? This is a steroid forum and the majority of us speak from personal knowledge. Some of us have decades of experience. That said, anyone who blindly follows any advice without doing basic, fundamental research is foolish at best.

I'll second that motion.

[Capebuffalo]

I'll second that motion.

Motion carries.

[tectime]

That's a good E2 number to maintain. And yes, experience and BW tells all. But for 99% of the people here finding a doctor to guide them is simply not going to happen. Most won't even broach the topic with their doctor and for good reason. If it were not for forums such as this where information flows from people of all knowledge levels and walks of life there would be many guys causing serious harm to themselves due to misinformation. Advising medical information? This is a steroid forum and the majority of us speak from personal knowledge. Some of us have decades of experience. That said, anyone who blindly follows any advice without doing basic, fundamental research is foolish at best.

Yes at around 25 is great. And true straight up true this forum is one of the most knowledgeable forums I've ever seen to the point it's pretty much the only one I bother looking at. Their are some members on here ( you included in this short list ) are extremly knowledgeable in these subjects to the point that a medical background is quite obvious. And your point about blindly following any information is what I always preach anytime I respond almost any of these things because man that's the worst thing you can do. Just the other day on one of the post I even said going big is great going blindly into the darkness is ignorant. And yes the majority of people do receive very good information here the problem is some of that information does not fit everyone doctors bloodwork whatever it takes for you to know what your body is about is where you need to be before you even go to messing with some of these compounds. True very few doctors are like mine he is a former bodybuilder who is very openly willing to discuss whatever I want to discuss with him about this. And years of experimenting with my body and these compounds has given me a vast knowledge of what they'll do to me. There are so many factors that come into play when even discussing these issues such as genetics,health, The financial ability to buy what you have to have to do all this stuff being able to know the nutritional values that you need to get from what foods you eat and the willpower, determination, focus, drive to achieve and maintain what you're even trying to accomplish, whether a professional level or just one big ripped gym rat bad dude. Again I do completely agree with the fact that this form is very helpful to many many people but the most helpful thing anyone can do is their own research either by google, asking questions here,asking at the gym, whatever you need to do to gather that information but always go the extra step to make sure that information is true and will work for you!

[tectime]

You all want to second some of that shit right there! Hahaha!

[kelkel]

I remember when I began (back in the day) there was no internet or virtually anything to help guide you. Eventually the Underground Steroid Bible came out which was a huge benefit. Guys today have no clue how good they actually have it with the internet, forums such as this and just the overall ability to garner info and make an informed decision.

You doc sounds awesome. I have a similar one, minus him being a former BB-er. No attitude and helps all he can. I can discuss anything with him without trepidation. Rare finds in this day and age.

[tectime]

Hahaha! So true ! With the vast amount of information available nowadays it's amazing. Like you said back in the days we had remember information now all we have to do is know how to obtain it. Another advantage of being in out early 50s, kind of the best of both worlds. Cool to hear that you have a doctor that is as helpful as mine has always been to me and as I stated earlier your knowledge tends to lead to the understanding you have some medical background yourself. And I do so enjoy having an intelligent conversation about this subject instead of a bunch of parroting or people with obvious lack of or limited knowledge on the subject giving advise. Kel and as I stated earlier you and a short list of people on this forum are extremely knowledgeable and I am sure many many people have benefited from advice given on this forum but again I must concur and emphasize always do your own research always find out what's true about what people are saying and always make sure you do your blood work to see where you are really at.

[Roughneck82]

Man you guys are lucky to fine doc's like that. I'm scared to death to mention something to mine. I did BW test came back at 363, he told me that was perfect and to take a step back and look in the mirror. He said I was a very good looking young man and didn't need anything. That when it got wired and said I got to GO!

[Roughneck82]

363 was total test

[kelkel]

Man you guys are lucky to fine doc's like that. I'm scared to death to mention something to mine. I did BW test came back at 363, he told me that was perfect and to take a step back and look in the mirror. He said I was a very good looking young man and didn't need anything. That when it got wired and said I got to GO!

Most would have left at that point.

[tectime]

Yes indeed. A buddy of mine introduced me to my doctor and it turned out not only to be a great professional relationship but we are actually have developed a friendship to the point we go on vacations with our families together. And I have other friends that are doctors that if you were to even mention anything about testosterone their hair stands up on the back of their necks. Of course it's quite obvious that Im on hormone replacement therapy hahaha If it doesn't show you're not doing it right hahaha but I do spend alot of time at the gym. But I don't have a professional relationship with those doctors/friends so none of their business. But yes finding a audible Dr. willing to work with you to the extremes that Kel and I are talking about is very very rare. Good Fortune to you and your hunting for one.

[Roughneck82]

Yeah when some says It looks like I'm taking steroids , I tell them thank you and think to myself that I must be doing something right. Oh yeah and by the way tectime, we're hiring out here, looking for good Derrick man, so if your looking into getting back into the patch hit me up! Hahaha

[ScotchGuard02]

I don't normally do a "big" cycle like 500/500 Test/NPP/week. My Test/NPP cycle is 350/250/week. I get awesome results (I'm not looking to be a monster, just nominal gains) and I get wood every morning.

[tectime]

[QUOTE="Roughneck82"]Yeah when some says It looks like I'm taking steroids , I tell them thank you and think to myself that I must be doing something right. Oh yeah and by the way tectime, we're hiring out here, looking for good Derrick man, so if your looking into getting back into the patch hit me up! Hahaha[/QUOTE

Hahaha! I love it when people ask ! Is what I say thanks man do I look like it ?! And always a man I thought I was shrinking ! Then ball up a big ol bicep for them and ask them "you think "?! Hahaha ! Good to hear work is good in the ol patch man but by the grace of God and a lot of hard work and finally owning my own company (oil related) I retired about 4 yrs ago ( yea at 48 ). I'm just an ol gym rat kick around my farm hang with the family kinda guy now ! LTL ( living the life) Thank GOD ! Hey man be careful out there brother!

[tdoe11]

500 mg/week on deca (nandralone) can be a bit much if one is subject to the effects of sexual sides. You might want to ease up into that dose rate, test the waters, and see how sensitive you are to these effects. Some are not bothered by NPP. Others are very sensitive to their effects. just my .02

I love me some deca /npp . Ran some fairly high dose cycles and loved it. Never experienced Ny sides with nandrolone to be honest. I always keep my e2 in check. Thank you everyone for the comments

[Capebuffalo]

Looking at your avi I would up my test.

[Cuz]

Looking at your avi I would up my test.

You hurt my feelins ....bro

[Capebuffalo]

You hurt my feelins ....bro

Check your e2. Lol

[tdoe11]

Check your e2. Lol

Hehe