protocol for trt/bridge?

[Athlete127]

If a trt guy or someone who wanted to just stay on test after a big cycle run protocol be something like this

Test 200-250 week
Hcg 500wk

What about Adex?

[MuscleInk]

If a trt guy or someone who wanted to just stay on test after a big cycle run protocol be something like this

Test 200-250 week
Hcg 500wk

What about Adex?

If you aren't on TRT, cycle off the appropriate time following your PCT. If you are on TRT, return to the TRT protocol when the cycle ends.

[Athlete127]

Does a normal protocol include hcg /Adex was my question really I suppose.


I'm not official a trt but my levels won't come back to normal and I can't afford trt through the doctor with my insurance..

[MuscleInk]

Does a normal protocol include hcg /Adex was my question really I suppose.

I'm not official a trt but my levels won't come back to normal and I can't afford trt through the doctor with my insurance..

HCG use is less common and when used durations and doses vary.

Use of an AI often depends on dose of TRT and how readily a person aromatization testosterone . Some men use little to no AI on TRT. Some require an AI to mange estrogen.

I'd recommend finishing your cycle and having blood work done about 30 days after your PCT. Better to see what your recovery looks like before making a subjective decision around need for TRT.

[Athlete127]

Good post Muscle. That's what I planned on doing. Hopefully they can come back to normal this run. But if not, it's the price I paid!

[numbere]

Good post Muscle. That's what I planned on doing. Hopefully they can come back to normal this run. But if not, it's the price I paid!

Don't begin TRT hastily. Some guys take a year to fully recover from cycling.

[Athlete127]

When going from a cycle to bridging/cruising, is it still common to use nolva or clomid?

[numbere]

When going from a cycle to bridging/cruising, is it still common to use nolva or clomid?

Using nolva and clomid after a cycle is called PCT. Using a maintenance dose of test after a cycle is called cruising. SERMs are not used while cruising. Using a maintenance dose of test for the rest of your life is called TRT.

[kelkel]

I'd recommend finishing your cycle and having blood work done about 30 days after your PCT. Better to see what your recovery looks like before making a subjective decision around need for TRT.

MI isn't that cutting it a bit close for the BW? I tend to suggest no less than 6 and closer to 8. Thoughts?

[MuscleInk]

MI isn't that cutting it a bit close for the BW? I tend to suggest no less than 6 and closer to 8. Thoughts?

I typically order at 30 and then 6 months after. The 30 gives me a benchmark immediately following PCT. Depending on how the BW looks at that time point, I followup at 6 or 8 months. I usually compare that with the last blood work so I have three time points. There won't be much recovery at 30-45 days. Some draw labs at every 3 months. That's a little too often IMO unless there are specific health issues we need to track

[kelkel]

I typically order at 30 and then 6 months after. The 30 gives me a benchmark immediately following PCT. Depending on how the BW looks at that time point, I followup at 6 or 8 months. I usually compare that with the last blood work so I have three time points. There won't be much recovery at 30-45 days. Some draw labs at every 3 months. That's a little too often IMO unless there are specific health issues we need to track

Understood. Now, if you were only pulling BW one time, when would you do it?

[MuscleInk]

Understood. Now, if you were only pulling BW one time, when would you do it?

Generally 6 months is the earliest. I do mine at 6 unless I am using doses above 800mg, then I find 8 or even 9 months gives me a better return to "normal".

BTW, my colleague added two more men over 55 to the "tren study". 5 in total. Should be interesting to see what happens. Will let you know what we see.

[kelkel]

Nice. Get the study to him?

[MuscleInk]

Nice. Get the study to him?

I'm writing a protocol this month. Will be using vertical auto profiles for lipid analyses.

[lovbyts]

I typically order at 30 and then 6 months after. The 30 gives me a benchmark immediately following PCT. Depending on how the BW looks at that time point, I followup at 6 or 8 months. I usually compare that with the last blood work so I have three time points. There won't be much recovery at 30-45 days. Some draw labs at every 3 months. That's a little too often IMO unless there are specific health issues we need to track

Good to know and cant wait to see/read the protocal. I always though it was about 90 days or a little more for waiting to see how levels were after a cycle but I also knew that was cutting it a little close.

[MuscleInk]

Good to know and cant wait to see/read the protocal. I always though it was about 90 days or a little more for waiting to see how levels were after a cycle but I also knew that was cutting it a little close.

Doses, duration, and types/numbers of compounds as well as individual characteristics (e.g. age) can influence recovery. I've seen a few men take as long as 18 months to reach stable levels. It makes the clinical management plan tricky.

[lovbyts]

Yup as we see a lot of kids who take a long time to recover. Just like the cycle they are looking for instant gratification in size/strength but the expect everything to go back to normal instantly. Only if they really knew what was going on inside their body.

I'm surprised we dont see a lot more of them here who have problems but then again 80% of them probably dont realize they do or have any idea why. I mean when someone starts to experience ED, depression, lack of energy and it's been a year since they did a cycle there is no way it could be related, right???

They just dont get it.

[MuscleInk]

Yup as we see a lot of kids who take a long time to recover. Just like the cycle they are looking for instant gratification in size/strength but the expect everything to go back to normal instantly. Only if they really knew what was going on inside their body.

I'm surprised we dont see a lot more of them here who have problems but then again 80% of them probably dont realize they do or have any idea why. I mean when someone starts to experience ED, depression, lack of energy and it's been a year since they did a cycle there is no way it could be related, right???

They just dont get it.

Or they are too humiliated to acknowledged their mistake. There's a young member here, 19, who sou g t my help for a test - only cycle. Despite my efforts to discourage him, he went ahead. He cut his PCT short, ran an immediate cycle with three compounds, one of which included tren . A few months ago, he contacted me with several issues he was having from the cycle. I made some recommendations and haven't heard from him in two months. No idea if he's recovered or what. Like many others, he felt great after his first cycle and assumed nothing could go wrong.

[fit2bOld]

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I'm not official a trt but my levels won't come back to normal and I can't afford trt through the doctor with my insurance..[/QUOTE]

This is crap. An office visit and bottle of test from the pharmacy with good insurance is thirty bucks. Much cheaper than ugl test.
TRT without blood work is just guessing.
200-250 mg is probably to much.
HCG and an AI as needed, again determined by blood work.
It's about getting a balance no guessing.

[lovbyts]

This is crap. An office visit and bottle of test from the pharmacy with good insurance is thirty bucks. Much cheaper than ugl test.
TRT without blood work is just guessing.
200-250 mg is probably to much.
HCG and an AI as needed, again determined by blood work.
It's about getting a balance no guessing.

I was just going to say it's a LOT more expensive to try to self medicate TRT than paying for a clinic visit such as LowTestosterone .com

You dont want to do trt unless you have to. It's really not so glamorous having to inject 3x a week just to feel normal and most people have to work at it for about 1yr to find out what normal is with blood work every 3 months or more.

How will you afford your trt if you loose your insurance? Once you start trt you dont just stop it unless you like feeling tired all the time, your d*ck not working and just feeling generally like crap. I dont think Ive hear anyone in the TRT forum who has said if they had a choice to have normal test levels vs trt they would have chosen trt. Something to think about.

[2iron]

I never got that. Trt script with pins pep pads and all cost $12.30 through ins.

seeing dr for cold costs 30.

trt outside insurance gets pricy I think.