Worried - Possible Infection. Please Help

[Jcz85]

Hey all. Been lurking awhile, first time posting.

I'm running test e, twice a week (250 mg). This is my first cycle and I've run into a problem.

I injected into my left lateral delt Saturday morning (second injection of cycle). Now today I am noticing it is red, swollen and some what hard to the touch.

When it was sore I figured that was normal because my first shot in my quad hurt for two days, but then mild soreness went away.

Only difference was quad was 5/8 needle, delt I used 1 inch. Was sanitary both times.

Here is pictures.



What do you think? Thank you

[austinite]

Give it a few more days. If the swelling doesn't start to go down, go see a doc.

Welcome aboard.

[PistolPete33]

Is it hot to the touch? The lump can be normal if you don't inject deep enough. I've done it a bunch of times or could be a sterile absece. If it's hot to the touch or the redness spreads then get to your Dr. ASAP and have it looked at.

[Jcz85]

Is it hot to the touch? The lump can be normal if you don't inject deep enough. I've done it a bunch of times or could be a sterile absece. If it's hot to the touch or the redness spreads then get to your Dr. ASAP and have it looked at.

Yeah, it's pretty hot to the touch... Not sure how it could have happened, was sterile

[austinite]

Heat is not really indicative of infection. Poor injection technique can lead to the same symptoms of an infection.

- Warm to the touch.
- Redness.
- Swelling.
- Hardened spot.

All the above are signs of either poor injection technique or infection. Visual inspections should be time-limited. A good rule of thumb is 5 days after swelling occurs, if it hasn't notably began to heal, see a doctor.

[Jcz85]

Heat is not really indicative of infection. Poor injection technique can lead to the same symptoms of an infection.

- Warm to the touch.
- Redness.
- Swelling.
- Hardened spot.

All the above are signs of either poor injection technique or infection. Visual inspections should be time-limited. A good rule of thumb is 5 days after swelling occurs, if it hasn't notably began to heal, see a doctor.

Okay. I think I will stick with 5/8. The 1 inch seemed too long, I wasnt able to comfortable push it in all the way and hopefully that's what caused it.

Does an improper injection mean that dose won't be effective?

Sorry for all the questions. My buddy who does this showed me how to inject but he's never gotten a swollen shoulder from it

[PistolPete33]

Heat is not really indicative of infection. Poor injection technique can lead to the same symptoms of an infection.

- Warm to the touch.
- Redness.
- Swelling.
- Hardened spot.

All the above are signs of either poor injection technique or infection. Visual inspections should be time-limited. A good rule of thumb is 5 days after swelling occurs, if it hasn't notably began to heal, see a doctor.

Agreed. I once had an infection and it wasn't very pleasant. Then, a few months later I had the same symptoms and went to my Dr. I was convinced it was infected and he said it wasn't. He gave me an antibiotic but told me that I shouldn't need it. 1 day later it cleared up and wasn't an infection.

Could be what's going on with you.

*ps- I'm on TRT which is why I was still pinning months later.

[PistolPete33]

Okay. I think I will stick with 5/8. The 1 inch seemed too long, I wasnt able to comfortable push it in all the way and hopefully that's what caused it.

Does an improper injection mean that dose won't be effective?

Sorry for all the questions. My buddy who does this showed me how to inject but he's never gotten a swollen shoulder from it

What is your EXACT injection procedure? Have you watched the videos and read the tutorials on here?

[austinite]

Jcz,

Improper technique does not mean the dose is rendered useless. It merely means that your injection irritated the muscle beyond necessity. Keep in mind that the tip of the needle is a blade. Instability, or too much movement while in the muscle with cut the fibers up too much. Muscles don't like that and they tend to react with symptoms similar to yours. I'm sure you can feel irritation/discomfort as you move your arm up and down.

[Jcz85]

What is your EXACT injection procedure? Have you watched the videos and read the tutorials on here?

Yea. I put two fingers at acromian process, found spot about an inch below my second finger, wiped with alcohol, went in with 1", injected slowly, but faster than first time.

I didn't want to push the 1" needle in all the way because I was scared I would hit bone (I am skinny). 5/8 felt perfect to me but my friend said to get 1" needle. My quads and shoulders don't have much fat.

Maybe I wiggled it around too much since it wasn't all the way in. Hopefully that's all it is.

[Jcz85]

Jcz,

Improper technique does not mean the dose is rendered useless. It merely means that your injection irritated the muscle beyond necessity. Keep in mind that the tip of the needle is a blade. Instability, or too much movement while in the muscle with cut the fibers up too much. Muscles don't like that and they tend to react with symptoms similar to yours. I'm sure you can feel irritation/discomfort as you move your arm up and down.

Yeah, it's not that much pain tho. I could still lift anything

[PistolPete33]

Did you wash your hands prior to injection? Did you wipe the top of the vial with alcohol before drawing the oil? Did you replace the needle tip before injection?

[Fetch]

It's hard to hit bone with a 1 inch needle. At worst, you are likely to penetrate beyond the sheath, and the oil will escape down into the bicep or tricep. 5/8 will most likely work, but don't be surprised if you end up with a benign abscess from injecting into fatty tissue. It happens - and takes months to go away on it's own. From your description, it MAY be an infection - but the fact that you seem calm about it puts me at ease a bit. Do you have a fever? If you are truly worried, you can go see your doctor and ask for some antibiotics. Better safe than sorry, I guess. It sounds like a typicall bad poke to me, though.

[Jcz85]

Did you wash your hands prior to injection? Did you wipe the top of the vial with alcohol before drawing the oil? Did you replace the needle tip before injection?

Yeah

[Jcz85]

It's hard to hit bone with a 1 inch needle. At worst, you are likely to penetrate beyond the sheath, and the oil will escape down into the bicep or tricep. 5/8 will most likely work, but don't be surprised if you end up with a benign abscess from injecting into fatty tissue. It happens - and takes months to go away on it's own. From your description, it MAY be an infection - but the fact that you seem calm about it puts me at ease a bit. Do you have a fever? If you are truly worried, you can go see your doctor and ask for some antibiotics. Better safe than sorry, I guess. It sounds like a typicall bad poke to me, though.

I'm gonna hope it goes away itself. I told my doctor I was gonna do test and he told me not to so I don't want to go in there unless I really have to

[probuild42]

What concentration is your Test E? Is it 250mg per ml?

[Jcz85]

What concentration is your Test E? Is it 250mg per ml?

yeah

[X2006ibmgto]

Give it time. Probably irritation. I did the samething injecting my quad with a 1" needle. It swelled bad, thought it was infected. After 5 days is stated healing. I now use 1" for arms and 1.5" for quads n glutes. I'm almost positive I didn't inject deep enough. Oh yeah. ... If you have a fever that's a different story.

[probuild42]

I ran Test E 300mg per ml once. It gave me awful pip like what you are describing. I switched to Test C 250mg per ml and have not had an issue since. Some my argue it shouldn't make a difference and I've talked to others that have expercienced the same thing by switching esters. Your gear may also have a high BB or BA content which can leave you sore. Either way you could try cutting it with sterile GSO to reduce the pip.. (Thats what I did with the rest of the test E I had)

[jesse4466]

I am on GP test e 250. Had redness swelling and pain on both legs for 5 weeks straight, nothing changed in how I pin or the process from now and then and now there is no pain, no redness etc. My body adjusted to the oil. It is a foreign substance and my body didn't react well to it. Today started week 9 of 12. I haven't had pain in about a month now since my body adjusted to oil.

I would suggest waiting at least 1 full week to determine if it starts going away and getting better before dr. This is how my legs looked each week unfortunately for the five weeks.

[Jcz85]

Ouch. Ya it hasn't gotten any worse since yesterday. I did a quad shot yesterday and it hurts like **** today. It's just weird cuz first injection didn't hurt at all the next day, little bit sore cpl days after that. I don't know about 1.5", 1" seems long to me.. Maybe I'll try the 1" again but my first shot was with 5/8 and it went perfect

[Jcz85]

Well the shoulder is fine, now my left quad is crippled.. Anyone have a really good video explaining injections? I guess I keep hitting bad muscles. Would by ass be a better option or same story?

[Fetch]

Virgin muscle. I remember when I first started cycling, I would literally be sore for over a week when I hit new spots.
SpotInjections.com
There is a pretty good reference site.

[DrewZ]

My apologies if these have been answered;

what brand UGL are you using?

Did you filter and sterilize it?

If you are only pinning twice a week, why not just alternate between glutes?

[PistolPete33]

I'm in TRT so I inject all the time. When I blast I typically use the same supplier but at the start of my current blast I tried a different UGL and it did the same thing you're going thru. I did 3 injections and tossed all that gear and never looked back

[Jcz85]

My apologies if these have been answered;

what brand UGL are you using?

Did you filter and sterilize it?

If you are only pinning twice a week, why not just alternate between glutes?

Pheonix Labs (Canadian)

Filter and sterilize? Says it's 9.25mg benzene alcohol/ml, same as bac water. Source uses it and said nothing about filtering and sterilizing. He even came over and did first shot with me. Minimal pain two days later.

He told me glutes are awkward to do by yourself, said use side of leg (in "wall") and delts. Glutes don't hurt?

[DrewZ]

Well for me, I don't trust UGL's period.
So I filter and sterilize whatever I get if it doesn't come from a real pharmacy.

That being said I'm pinning Test C twice a week in the glutes by myself from a UGL people say tends to have PIP.

I call BS on pip/virgin muscle theory.

I'm with austin on this when he says that its either dirty oil or bad technique.

The only time it hurt was the very first time I was excited to have my first pin done, I pricked myself in the finger trying to put the cap back on!
my finger hurt like a b1tch for a little bit haha, other than that nothing worth mentioning.

1.5in in the glutes all the way in, nice and slow - 60 seconds to put 1ml in.
I use 1 hand & z track, and out of the 5 pins so far I've gotten no pip, and I only had a tiny spot of blood twice.

when I did B12 in my quad it did feel almost like a charlie horse for a few minutes, but it went away no pip.
I would give the glutes a try, look at the video above and go slow otherwise you're causing trauma in there.

[Jcz85]

Well for me, I don't trust UGL's period.
So I filter and sterilize whatever I get if it doesn't come from a real pharmacy.

That being said I'm pinning Test C twice a week in the glutes by myself from a UGL people say tends to have PIP.

I call BS on pip/virgin muscle theory.

I'm with austin on this when he says that its either dirty oil or bad technique.

The only time it hurt was the very first time I was excited to have my first pin done, I pricked myself in the finger trying to put the cap back on!
my finger hurt like a b1tch for a little bit haha, other than that nothing worth mentioning.

1.5in in the glutes all the way in, nice and slow - 60 seconds to put 1ml in.
I use 1 hand & z track, and out of the 5 pins so far I've gotten no pip, and I only had a tiny spot of blood twice.

when I did B12 in my quad it did feel almost like a charlie horse for a few minutes, but it went away no pip.
I would give the glutes a try, look at the video above and go slow otherwise you're causing trauma in there.

Can I get away with a 1"? The 1.5" is a thicker gauge

[DrewZ]

Depends on how lean you are, I probably could but I've always read the deeper IM the better.

I'm doing 19g to draw, 1.5" 25g to pin

[SeatownSharksFan]

This is his first cycle. I was freaked out about the same thing when I first started. Virgin muscle.

I couldn't even walk the whole time I was on my first cycle.

Now I feel nothing after.

[Jcz85]

This is his first cycle. I was freaked out about the same thing when I first started. Virgin muscle.

I couldn't even walk the whole time I was on my first cycle.

Now I feel nothing after.

I'm not really seeing the point of doing a cycle if I'm going to be crippled the whole time... Not going to be able to work legs for another 2-3 days, yesterday I was doing chest and my left shoulder was holding me back from Saturday's injection. I'm not lifting any heavier, lighter if anything...

[jesse4466]

I'm not really seeing the point of doing a cycle if I'm going to be crippled the whole time... Not going to be able to work legs for another 2-3 days, yesterday I was doing chest and my left shoulder was holding me back from Saturday's injection. I'm not lifting any heavier, lighter if anything...

Sound familiar. I couldn't do any body part I injected for a long time from the pain.

[Jcz85]

Sound familiar. I couldn't do any body part I injected for a long time from the pain.

Lol did you even gain anything

[Jcz85]

Sound familiar. I couldn't do any body part I injected for a long time from the pain.

Lol did you even gain anything

[DrewZ]

This is his first cycle. I was freaked out about the same thing when I first started. Virgin muscle.

I couldn't even walk the whole time I was on my first cycle.

Now I feel nothing after.

This is my first one as well.
First pin was a little over 2 weeks ago - I'm 5 pins in now, 10 including hCG .

Yes I'm new but I have come to the conclusion when I hear these stories about pinning and having crippling pain/redness
Its either bad technique, not so clean oil, or not cut out for it

Vets correct me if I'm wrong, the redness/pain can also be from not going deep enough and the oil leaking outside of the muscle.

[jesse4466]

Lol did you even gain anything

I started at 208 and I'm at 221, On week 9 now. Just pushed through the pain somehow.

[Jcz85]

I started at 208 and I'm at 221, On week 9 now. Just pushed through the pain somehow.

Did you lose any BF %?

[jesse4466]

Did you lose any BF %?

I don't know if if is possible to go up 13 pounds in 2 months and lose Bf at same time.. It prob actually went up a bit or around the same. My goal is to keep the gains and lower body fat long term tho.. And maybe even get closer to 225-230.

[Jcz85]

I don't know if if is possible to go up 13 pounds in 2 months and lose Bf at same time.. It prob actually went up a bit or around the same. My goal is to keep the gains and lower body fat long term tho.. And maybe even get closer to 225-230.

Ah. My goal is to lose BF, gain a shitload of strength and size but don't care about gaining weight. I think it's possible. Seems that it's already happening, although that could be just my mind playing tricks.

How long does it take to feel the test e? 2.5 wks?

[jesse4466]

For me it didn't take too long, maybe 2-3 weeks. Libido increase was pretty soon after though. Got blood work around week 4 or 5 I believe.