Just curious..

[jesse4466]

I know test E @ 500mg week is ideal first cycle.

What is an ideal second cycle? (That wouldn't be for a while, just thinking in advance and trying to get educated on correct cycling)

If the answer is test e only again, at what point would it be suggested to add other compounds, and what might those compounds consist of?


Thank you.

[Times Roman]

you already know the answer.

The answer is to grow into your cycle over time

when you are well into the intermediate stages of body building, are very muscular with very low bf%, and the 500mg test e per week doesn't provide the additional results you once received, then at THAT point, one may consider growing the cycle.

I really have to laugh at the blokes that, on a third cycle, are running Test/tren/dbol/and ?......

Why? because from a steroid perspective, they have already "shot their wad". This is a newb mistake in my opinion, and it shows a lack of discipline and patience. They are trying to avoid the necessary time it takes with this lifestyle, and instead, they think they have found a shortcut by using drugs. This may work in the short term, but not as a lifestyle.

[MuscleInk]

I know test E @ 500mg week is ideal first cycle.

What is an ideal second cycle? (That wouldn't be for a while, just thinking in advance and trying to get educated on correct cycling)

If the answer is test e only again, at what point would it be suggested to add other compounds, and what might those compounds consist of?

Thank you.

Run test alone for a few cycles (3). If you continue to see quality results, keep it simple. Adding more compounds increases the complexity of managing side effects and if test alone provides results, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Asking what compounds come next is like asking how long a piece of string should be. It depends on your goals and objectives. Some guys add orals, others stack injectibles, but it all comes down to what you are trying to achieve.

Many of us who have done this for a long time have learned that more is not better.

[MuscleInk]

Run test alone for a few cycles (3). If you continue to see quality results, keep it simple. Adding more compounds increases the complexity of managing side effects and if test alone provides results, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Asking what compounds come next is like asking how long a piece of string should be. It depends on your goals and objectives. Some guys add orals, others stack injectibles, but it all comes down to what you are trying to achieve.

Many of us who have done this for a long time have learned that more is not better.

Or, what TR said. Lol.

[jesse4466]

Yes, agreed. And I def am not interested in all those compounds, that is a recipe for side effects to say the least. Was just thinking a head a bit... But growing into cycle makes good sense- progressive, long term, body-sculpting. Thx Roman!

[jesse4466]

Run test alone for a few cycles (3). If you continue to see quality results, keep it simple. Adding more compounds increases the complexity of managing side effects and if test alone provides results, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Asking what compounds come next is like asking how long a piece of string should be. It depends on your goals and objectives. Some guys add orals, others stack injectibles, but it all comes down to what you are trying to achieve. Many of us who have done this for a long time have learned that more is not better.

That's probably some of the best advice -Keeping it simple, 'less is more'...very important info there.

That along with perfecting the diet over time should give some solid results. Diet is my real challenge, I'm looking forward to fine tuning it..

[JinAustin]

you already know the answer.

The answer is to grow into your cycle over time

when you are well into the intermediate stages of body building, are very muscular with very low bf%, and the 500mg test e per week doesn't provide the additional results you once received, then at THAT point, one may consider growing the cycle.

I really have to laugh at the blokes that, on a third cycle, are running Test/tren/dbol/and ?......

Why? because from a steroid perspective, they have already "shot their wad". This is a newb mistake in my opinion, and it shows a lack of discipline and patience. They are trying to avoid the necessary time it takes with this lifestyle, and instead, they think they have found a shortcut by using drugs. This may work in the short term, but not as a lifestyle.

c'mon... we're all a bit impatient and unsatisfied

[MuscleInk]

That's probably some of the best advice -Keeping it simple, 'less is more'...very important info there.

That along with perfecting the diet over time should give some solid results. Diet is my real challenge, I'm looking forward to fine tuning it..

I explained it this way to my brother-in-law last week who has struggled with gains from under eating and thinks steroids are the answer.

The fundamental growth factors for plants are water and light. Fertilizer helps but if you provide too much or too little water and light to a plant, it can be harmful. Fertilizer produces the best results when the right fundamentals (water and light) are provided on a REGULAR basis.

Nutrition and training our our water and light (our fundamentals). Steroids are the fertilizers but too much fertilizer and not enough food and water (nutrition and training) can lead to undesirable outcomes.

Sure, it's an over simplification, but he got the message loud and clear. You'll reap the greatest benefits when nutrition and training are well established. The "fertilizer", anabolics, enhance what the fundamentals provide.....and just as too much fertilizer can be harmful, eventually, too much steroid use can lead to problems.

[jesse4466]

I explained it this way to my brother-in-law last week who has struggled with gains from under eating and thinks steroids are the answer. The fundamental growth factors for plants are water and light. Fertilizer helps but if you provide too much or too little water and light to a plant, it can be harmful. Fertilizer produces the best results when the right fundamentals (water and light) are provided on a REGULAR basis. Nutrition and training our our water and light (our fundamentals). Steroids are the fertilizers but too much fertilizer and not enough food and water (nutrition and training) can lead to undesirable outcomes. Sure, it's an over simplification, but he got the message loud and clear. You'll reap the greatest benefits when nutrition and training are well established. The "fertilizer", anabolics, enhance what the fundamentals provide.....and just as too much fertilizer can be harmful, eventually, too much steroid use can lead to problems.

And it is very easy to kill plants lol.. For me I over water the or put them in the sun too long. That's why I want to perfect the nutrition. I'm eating healthy for the most part and eating a lot but just not tracking the specific calories, and macros. I've made decent gains but the diet is a bit sloppy since it's not tracked properly or consistent enough daily.

[Times Roman]

c'mon... we're all a bit impatient and unsatisfied

maybe so.

but that is an emotional position that one should be able to counter with some rational thought.

it is our "dissatisfaction" (as you call it) that compels us to continue on this journey, pushing us to improve....

...but there is a helluva lot more going on than the size of one's muscles.

if that were the ONLY consideration, then we all would be doing a gram of test and a gram of tren a week, and never pct =)

[MuscleInk]

c'mon... we're all a bit impatient and unsatisfied

Being impatient and unsatisfied doesn't justify unnecessary risk taking.

[JinAustin]

On a serious note absolutely no one should risk health for muscle. But our dissatisfaction is what pushes us to be better. Like you said roman, its finding the right balance and staying healthy making sure we remember this is a longevity lifestyle.

[darkcrayz]

i ran test e, 600mg/week x12 weeks three times before I added any other compounds. It was fine for me. But that is just me.