Men's Physique NPC cycle

[petapopin1]

Hey Guys so after doing a lot of reading on this forum I put this together. Ive done Winny before (solo). The purpose of this cycle is for pre contest for Men's Physique NPC show. Please Critique

Test prop 150mg eod 13weeks
Winstrol 50m ed last 6 weeks
hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Letro - 0.25mg - 0.5 mg per day

Clenbuterol 2 on 2 off 5 out weeks

Pct
Clomid @ 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex @ 20/20/20/20

[petapopin1]

I know i should choose prop for first time but i need to keep down water retention

[Times Roman]

it seems a reasonable enough cycle, but I'd recommend ditching the Winnie for your first time with test. just so you don't muddy the water and get a clear understanding based on experience of what the effects of testosterone has on you.

how's your nutrition plan?
tell me something besides "it's clean". I get a lot of that and it doesn't really mean much

[petapopin1]

breakfast I eat egwhites salsa and avocado with 2 pieces of ezikiel bread; then followed by 3 meals of 7 oz ground turey and 1 cup of wild rice; shake post workout and if I'm still hungry cottage cheese with almonds.

This is what I literally eat every day. Sometimes Ill throw in a steak with white potatoes just to reefed.

Do you think I could still come in hard and lean without the winny? And if so how would I line up the cycle with the competition date? (be on test while in the show or be on pct during show?)

[Narkissos]

I know i should choose prop for first time but i need to keep down water retention

Why?

Water retention during contest prep is irrelevant.

A good pair of eyes (ie a coach) will be able to distinguish between fat retention and water retention... and the former is the only one that matters.

How lean are you currently?

I'm a fan of winny personally... but not for that long in a prep cycle... especially if you'll be training heavy in a caloric deficit near the end, as most do to hold on to as much muscle as possible.

Your joints will hate you... especially with letro in the mix. At least, IMHO.

Personally, I'm not sure I'd give contest prep gear advice publicly... because it runs contrary to the advice given to Joe average.

With regard to your diet: How does it relate to your stats?

[Athlete127]

Drop your test to 100mg eod... Winny 50 mg 6 weeks out. Up to 100 the last two weeks

[petapopin1]

Why?

Water retention during contest prep is irrelevant.

A good pair of eyes (ie a coach) will be able to distinguish between fat retention and water retention... and the former is the only one that matters.

How lean are you currently?

I'm a fan of winny personally... but not for that long in a prep cycle... especially if you'll be training heavy in a caloric deficit near the end, as most do to hold on to as much muscle as possible.

Your joints will hate you... especially with letro in the mix. At least, IMHO.

Personally, I'm not sure I'd give contest prep gear advice publicly... because it runs contrary to the advice given to Joe average.

With regard to your diet: How does it relate to your stats?

I don't have a coach I'm doing this all by myself. Im around 12%. I never have joint problems from low estrogen or win I'm blessed in that regard but Im super inclined to get gyno since i had puberty gyno.

Stats:
25
205lb
12% BF
5x5 maxs if relevant.
Squat 405
Bench 365
Deadlift 545
8 years of training

17.75 inch arms, 50 inch chest, 34 inch waist

[< <Samson> >]

Hey bro, your stats are quite close to mine.

And this is what I am planning to do either next year or the following year.


It seems much more difficult without a coach as I get deeper into this.

Water retention and timing alone seem very tough to figure out.

What's your height? I didn't see it in your stats


Running shit through trial & error is fun and all. But, it can really deter you from getting anywhere as far as competing goes.

[tice1212]

Hey Guys so after doing a lot of reading on this forum I put this together. Ive done Winny before (solo). The purpose of this cycle is for pre contest for Men's Physique NPC show. Please Critique

Test prop 150mg eod 13weeks
Winstrol 50m ed last 6 weeks
hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Letro - 0.25mg - 0.5 mg per day

Clenbuterol 2 on 2 off 5 out weeks

Pct
Clomid @ 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex @ 20/20/20/20

This is how i would time it.
12 wk show prep
WK 1-3 train natural.
WK 4-11 test p 125mg EOD
WK 12 no test p just take ur normal AI
(WK 12 end Saturday show)
Right after show jump back on.
WK 13-15 test p 125mg EOD.

3 days after ur last injection start pct. Which should look like this
C@100,75,50,50,25
N@40,20,20,20,20

Adex should be started at .25 mg EOD

HCG should be run through whole cycle at 250ui E3D

IMO If ur going to run the winny i would start 4 weeks out of ur show which should be week 8..and stopped 3 days after show

[petapopin1]

Hey bro, your stats are quite close to mine.

And this is what I am planning to do either next year or the following year.


It seems much more difficult without a coach as I get deeper into this.

Water retention and timing alone seem very tough to figure out.

What's your height? I didn't see it in your stats


Running shit through trial & error is fun and all. But, it can really deter you from getting anywhere as far as competing goes.

Yea man I kinda lost lol. I'm 183 cm so 6 foot

[petapopin1]

This is how i would time it.
12 wk show prep
WK 1-3 train natural.
WK 4-11 test p 125mg EOD
WK 12 no test p just take ur normal AI
(WK 12 end Saturday show)
Right after show jump back on.
WK 13-15 test p 125mg EOD.

3 days after ur last injection start pct. Which should look like this
C@100,75,50,50,25
N@40,20,20,20,20

Adex should be started at .25 mg EOD

HCG should be run through whole cycle at 250ui E3D

IMO If ur going to run the winny i would start 4 weeks out of ur show which should be week 8..and stopped 3 days after show

Thanks a lot tice1212 ! So do I keep taking hcg during the week of no test ?

[petapopin1]

Also I was wondering why are the pros and cons with turinabol vs winstrol. I think I'd prefer turinabol because it won't affect my prostate/hair. When I did winning solo my prostate like clinched up when I would cum in my girls so I'm thinking dht ain't good for me.

[tice1212]

Also I was wondering why are the pros and cons with turinabol vs winstrol. I think I'd prefer turinabol because it won't affect my prostate/hair. When I did winning solo my prostate like clinched up when I would cum in my girls so I'm thinking dht ain't good for me.

What do u mean clinched up? Not being able to cum? Also i would go with the winny because u know what ur dealing with especially during show prep.. Try t-bol after ur show on ur next cycle.

[tice1212]

Thanks a lot tice1212 ! So do I keep taking hcg during the week of no test ?

Yeah that should be fine

[< <Samson> >]

I have been talking to a few guys who compete & have for quite while.


Their fairly standard cycles include primo leading up to them cutting. When they start a cut, tren, mast & prop seems to be usual - Along with a decent dose of Var within the last month


Some drop all injecatbles when they get very close & stay on just Var



If I make the leap of doing this solo. My thoughts would be like this: Start prep @ about 12% Bf about 3+ months out, start on prop & tren ace(the lower the dose the better), try to pull my Bf right to about 10% flat or so within a month to 6 weeks, start mast along with the tren ace & prop, start Var 4 weeks out & possibly drop all injecatbles 2 weeks out. This should give me the driest look possible & would land me right @ about 7-8% Bf


This is all self taught shit though from people's experience & shit I have read.



If anyone can anything or take anything away on this, feel free.

[petapopin1]

Like if I blew my load too hard it felt weird like not pain but uncomfortable clinch like feeling

[petapopin1]

I have been talking to a few guys who compete & have for quite while.


Their fairly standard cycles include primo leading up to them cutting. When they start a cut, tren, mast & prop seems to be usual - Along with a decent dose of Var within the last month


Some drop all injecatbles when they get very close & stay on just Var



If I make the leap of doing this solo. My thoughts would be like this: Start prep @ about 12% Bf about 3+ months out, start on prop & tren ace(the lower the dose the better), try to pull my Bf right to about 10% flat or so within a month to 6 weeks, start mast along with the tren ace & prop, start Var 4 weeks out & possibly drop all injecatbles 2 weeks out. This should give me the driest look possible & would land me right @ about 7-8% Bf


This is all self taught shit though from people's experience & shit I have read.



If anyone can anything or take anything away on this, feel free.

I think that's way too much for a first cycle

[< <Samson> >]

I think that's way too much for a first cycle

LoL - First cycle, oh yeah

This is geared towards myself really


If this is your first cycle, I don't really have much to add. Just because you don't know how your body will react to these or other compounds.


I suppose if it one of your first runs, just stick to very mild stuff - a little prop, maybe some var at the end. Winni seems a little harsh to me

[Athlete127]

I compete and I don't drop injedtables until the Wednesday before the show. I run test, tren, Masteron and winstrol. Not gonna tell you the doses though because I don't want you doing the same and hurting yourself. If i were you, as you haven't competed yet and don't know you're busy...

Run test prop until the Monday before the show 100mg eod.
Winstrol 50mg ed until 2 weeks out and jump to 100 and run it through show

Hcg through cycle 250iu twice a week but drop it when you drop the test

[petapopin1]

I compete and I don't drop injedtables until the Wednesday before the show. I run test, tren, Masteron and winstrol. Not gonna tell you the doses though because I don't want you doing the same and hurting yourself. If i were you, as you haven't competed yet and don't know you're busy...

Run test prop until the Monday before the show 100mg eod.
Winstrol 50mg ed until 2 weeks out and jump to 100 and run it through show

Hcg through cycle 250iu twice a week but drop it when you drop the test

No clen or t3 ?

[Bodacious]

Good read here.

[petapopin1]

What about clean and t3 boys. Also I'm convened with getting too big!

[Narkissos]

What about clean and t3 boys. Also I'm convened with getting too big!

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Getting too big, while running test and winny in a caloric deficit?

No.

Your only concern should be not getting in shape in time.

[tice1212]

What about clean and t3 boys. Also I'm convened with getting too big!

Lol don't worry about getting "too big" its going to take more then test and winny to get u too big

[petapopin1]

What do you guys think about clem and t3. Should I use those ?

[jooney]

This thread proves that the dudes in the physique categories take just as much stuff as the guys in the bodybuilding categories. After hearing many guys in the physique contests mock the bodybuilders for abusing juice, what's the difference? I know dudes who compete every year (at the local NPC level) and place in the top 5 everytime, who take substantially less stuff than the cycles mentioned here by the physique competitors. I personally don't care who takes what. It has been said that the physique guys only compete in that category because they would be laughed at on the bodybuilding stage, but I prefer they way most physique guys look over the bodybuilders. However, just like there are bikini, figure, and bodybuilding for the women, now the men's has become that way. Kind of ridiculous. There should only be bodybuilding, and save the other stuff for regular modeling competitions. Its all about money for the promoters, and guys/girls who just want attention/trophies. Silliness.

[Athlete127]

This thread proves that the dudes in the physique categories take just as much stuff as the guys in the bodybuilding categories. After hearing many guys in the physique contests mock the bodybuilders for abusing juice, what's the difference? I know dudes who compete every year (at the local NPC level) and place in the top 5 everytime, who take substantially less stuff than the cycles mentioned here by the physique competitors. I personally don't care who takes what. It has been said that the physique guys only compete in that category because they would be laughed at on the bodybuilding stage, but I prefer they way most physique guys look over the bodybuilders. However, just like there are bikini, figure, and bodybuilding for the women, now the men's has become that way. Kind of ridiculous. There should only be bodybuilding, and save the other stuff for regular modeling competitions. Its all about money for the promoters, and guys/girls who just want attention/trophies. Silliness.

Not even close... If you see a true bodybuilder competitor cycle then you would chit yourself.

[tice1212]

Not even close... If you see a true bodybuilder competitor cycle then you would chit yourself.

2x .... I have no clue what that other guy is talking about Haha

[< <Samson> >]

A typical 225 pound plus semi pro pumps more test alone than all gear combined in one of my cycles.

[petapopin1]

do I use clen of t3 ???

[jooney]

Guys, I don't disagree that many bodybuilders take way more stuff, but there are many that do compete (and do quite well at local/state level) with the same or less stuff than mentioned in this post. One guy I'm referring to placed in the top 5 in the Excalibur last year (California NPC national qualifier bb show) with only a thermogenic, a small dose of a now banned "prohormone" and one other compound. I know that some guys take ridiculous amounts, and there's also dudes that take huge amounts and still look like regular joes. Ask a guy like Robbie Robinson how much stuff he took when he competed, and you would be amazed at how little it was.

[petapopin1]

Guys, I don't disagree that many bodybuilders take way more stuff, but there are many that do compete (and do quite well at local/state level) with the same or less stuff than mentioned in this post. One guy I'm referring to placed in the top 5 in the Excalibur last year (California NPC national qualifier bb show) with only a thermogenic, a small dose of a now banned "prohormone" and one other compound. I know that some guys take ridiculous amounts, and there's also dudes that take huge amounts and still look like regular joes. Ask a guy like Robbie Robinson how much stuff he took when he competed, and you would be amazed at how little it was.

Who cares

[XxAndreaxX]

why not simply run test tren and masteron
tren at a fixed dose, more masteron for more definition, more test for more size, less test for more definition.

T3 is awesome, but it might make you look flat. it happened to me at 75mcg.
If you can get in shape with just the tren, or clen, it would be better IMO

[Khazima]

why not simply run test tren and masteron
tren at a fixed dose, more masteron for more definition, more test for more size, less test for more definition.

T3 is awesome, but it might make you look flat. it happened to me at 75mcg.
If you can get in shape with just the tren, or clen, it would be better IMO

Seriously? It's his first cycle and you're saying just run some tren, oh and chuck in some masteron too?

[fit2bOld]

why not simply run test tren and masteron
tren at a fixed dose, more masteron for more definition, more test for more size, less test for more definition.

T3 is awesome, but it might make you look flat. it happened to me at 75mcg.
If you can get in shape with just the tren, or clen, it would be better IMO

I'd suggest taking up cooking but you would probably poison someone by sheer stupidity.

[lovbyts]

I know you haven't mentioned it since your first post but no one else mentioned it either. drop the Letro.

[petapopin1]

I know you haven't mentioned it since your first post but no one else mentioned it either. drop the Letro.

Why drop letro ? I can't get any arimidex ?

[lovbyts]

Why cant you get any Adex? Letro is strong and can crush your E2 and you also have to worry about rebound. If that's the only thing you can get I would use it sparingly.

[petapopin1]

Why cant you get any Adex? Letro is strong and can crush your E2 and you also have to worry about rebound. If that's the only thing you can get I would use it sparingly.

Cant find adex lol. anyways the letro is cheap (2.5mg/ml - 25ml for $25) so Id use only enough to keep my nips at bay haha. Whats E2 ?

[lovbyts]

E2 is what makes your nips itch and gives you gyno.
You need to have your sensitive Estrogen checked. Dont get crazy especially with the letro because it's strong. I believe you have to tapper up and down with it also but I'm not 100% because I dont use it. A little nipple sensitivity is normal, a little... Obviously if you start to get a lump then you have something to worry about.

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