Epi + Test Beginner cycle now added Tren.

**Najee786** · 09-24-2014, 01:29 PM

Stats:
15-16% currently 183-5lbs at 6 FT.
Training 4 years.
Age 22 (23 in two weeks)
Training split = 4 days a week.
Calories: 3000-3200.
Before the cycle I weighed 160lbs at 11% body fat.

So I stacked Epi dosing 20/30/30/40/40 and Test blend P 100mg/C 150mg /E 150mg at a total of 400mg.

I’ve made some amazing gains and loads of people have complimented me which is always a plus. I do not want these gains to stop! I planned to do this epi and test just for 6 weeks then PCT. My mate convinced me to shoot some Tren E 100mg and Test C 200mg. Obviously this hasn’t kicked in yet but I’ve got the urge to shoot some more for the next 4 weeks (going into my birthday period) and then PCT’ing. Please could you give me some advice if I should pursue this? Additionally, my mate blasts and cruises all damn year and keeps trying to persuade me to do the same...what are the main drawbacks to this?

This is my first post btw so I hope I have given enough clarity above. Thanks.

**swolehead** · 09-25-2014, 08:14 AM

don't blast and cruze unless your fully committed for life but first cycle everyone's guna tell you not to but it's your decision I suggest your research about tren and first of all you may regret doing e switch to ace if your actualy going to go threw with this so it can clear ur system if sides get out of hand. sorry that's all the advice I have for u right now

**derekkpapa1** · 09-25-2014, 08:21 AM

Read the thread few down where tren messed up this poor guy.
First you are too young
And 160 lbs at 6 ft tall man did you even lift before this?
I would concentrate on diet and not gear for at least few more years.

Sorry not what you want to hear but your putting your health at risk.

**Najee786** · 09-25-2014, 12:50 PM

Thanks for the replies guys. When I first started lifting I was the worst combination ever. Around 135lbs at 18% body fat. Thankfully I have only dosed this tren E once. I’m assuming it runs out of my system in 14 days so I can PCT after then? Don’t mean to sound unappreciative but people shoot at any age so there is no definitive age for anyone to recommend it to another. I’ve had bloods done pre cycle and everything was fine. Next Thursday at the end of my cycle I will get more bloods done to assess the situation.

**derekkpapa1** · 09-25-2014, 05:47 PM

What 4 weeks after you pct to get blood work to make sure your system is back to normal
If you get blood work right away your levels will be elevated from the gear.

**derekkpapa1** · 09-25-2014, 05:47 PM

Also what is your pct?

**Najee786** · 09-26-2014, 02:02 PM

Yeah I just want to see how effed up they are on gear haha.

PCT 4 weeks: Nolva as Serm... 40/20/20/20
Creatine
I reversitol or trib (May not even use)
Fish oils
Protein

**gold43** · 09-26-2014, 03:01 PM

Creatine and Tribulus considered as part of your PCT? Hahaha!!! Fish oils and protein too? Wow, you have no clue what ur doing.
You need to read some stickies dude! Nolva only?? Standard PCT is Clomid AND Nolva.

**GGot FFina?** · 09-27-2014, 01:50 AM

Honestly, i think your mate is retarded and doesn't know much if he is trying to persuade you to do the same stupid shyt he is doing.

Going by the knowledge you show in your posts, this is going to be a recipe for disaster.
Your friend is going to ruin his future. All to look good now. When you can easily look good at your age by just learning how to diet. Which sounds like it could need some help, if your 6 foot, 185lbs and 16% body fat. No amount of steroids will help you lower that 16% body fat, except for a diet. This is what is going to make you look good. Lowering your body fat, not pumping all these steroids into your young body.

What i would suggest you do is to spend some time in the diet section and read, read, read! A perfect diet to meet your goals of bulking or cutting and just 300-500mg/w of test, and i guarantee that you can look better than your room mate who is pumping all of this compounds at such a young age. He might feel on top of the world now, but in a few years, he will definitely be regretting it. Trust me!!!! There is absolutely no reason to take the amounts or kinds of steroids your friend is suggesting you take. Im 37 and still getting amazing results from dieting and half of what your thinking about taking.

I would finish the cycle your on, without adding all these new steroids your friend is advising. Jump on a good PCT, get your levels back to normal, then with a great diet and just a little Test, get to where you want to be...

I know its not what you want to hear but remember that you are very young and doing stupid things like this now, will come back to bite you when you are older and dont care about looks anymore. Now you just want to be healthy.

BTW... The PCT mentioned by you is about as good as no PCT at all. Unless you want to screw up your body, stop listening to your friend and do your own reading here on this forum. Maybe after you learn a few things, you can change his mind too. Before he does permanent damage. If not done already...
Good luck dude.