First Cycle....Advice Welcome!

**_-KL-_** · 09-24-2014, 06:54 PM

Stats:
27 y.o.
6'3"
220lbs
14% BF
Training off & on for the past 10 years
Once BF is lowered to around 10%, I think this would be a great mass builder.

WEEK 1-8
Test E 500mg/wk (Mon/Thurs)
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)

WEEK 9-10 DELOAD
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)

WEEK 11-18
Test E 250mg/wk (Mon/Thurs)
*EQ* 400mg/wk (Mon/Thurs)
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)
WEEK 19-20 DELOAD
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)

ADEX .25mg EOD Until PCT starts
HCG until 3 days before PCT starts

PCT:
WEEK 21: 40mg Nolva + 75mg Clomid ed
WEEK 22: 20mg Nolva + 50mg Clomid ed
WEEK 23: 20mg Nolva + 50mg Clomid ed
WEEK 24: 20mg Nolva + 50mg Clomid ed

Basically the slingshot system with back-to back 8 week cycles.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated!

**lunatikgixxer** · 09-24-2014, 06:55 PM

Looks to be about my next cycle except aromasin instead of adex and no EQ. Good Luck! The only thing i would maybe do differently is run a longer PCT. Oh and during your deload weeks if you arent deloading wtih test then you need to use a pct during the deload weeks (if i remember reading correctly).

**lunatikgixxer** · 09-24-2014, 06:59 PM

Quoted from Ronnie Rowland

"In regards to the 2 week deload you can do any PCT during the 2 weeks off or bridge with a base like testosterone and/or smaller amounts of all the slow acting drugs used in the reload. The goal is to hold onto all mass while reducing anabolic hormones in the body, then come back using more anabolics during reload to make continued progress. More training volume and protein would also be needed when returning to the 8 week reload."

**_-KL-_** · 09-24-2014, 07:08 PM

Yeah, 250mg/week Test E during the first deload should do the trick - thanks.
Also considered going up to 750mg/week of Test E during weeks 11-18, but I figured switching compounds might be more beneficial.

**Mp859** · 09-24-2014, 07:21 PM

Test e and eq for 8 weeks is damn near pointless. I don't like the layout at all really. Regardless of who's protocol it is I wouldn't do it personally. I feel like right about when you are going to start getting good gains you are going to come off.

**_-KL-_** · 09-24-2014, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mp859

Test e and eq for 8 weeks is damn near pointless. I don't like the layout at all really. Regardless of who's protocol it is I wouldn't do it personally. I feel like right about when you are going to start getting good gains you are going to come off.

You prefer the longer cycles over 2 shorter ones?
(When using long esters)

**derekkpapa1** · 09-24-2014, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by _-KL-_

Stats:
27 y.o.
6'3"
220lbs
14% BF
Training off & on for the past 10 years
Once BF is lowered to around 10%, I think this would be a great mass builder.

WEEK 1-8
Test E 500mg/wk (Mon/Thurs)
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)

WEEK 9-10 DELOAD
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)

WEEK 11-18
Test E 250mg/wk (Mon/Thurs)
*EQ* 400mg/wk (Mon/Thurs)
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)
WEEK 19-20 DELOAD
HCG 500mg/week(Mon/Thurs)

ADEX .25mg EOD Until PCT starts
HCG until 3 days before PCT starts

PCT:
WEEK 21: 40mg Nolva + 75mg Clomid ed
WEEK 22: 20mg Nolva + 50mg Clomid ed
WEEK 23: 20mg Nolva + 50mg Clomid ed
WEEK 24: 20mg Nolva + 50mg Clomid ed

Basically the slingshot system with back-to back 8 week cycles.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated!

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

**kelkel** · 09-24-2014, 07:46 PM

Why on earth do you feel you need to do a slingshot style cycle for a first foray into anabolics? Simply use the link provided above and follow it to the letter. You'll do great without over complicating things.

**_-KL-_** · 09-24-2014, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Why on earth do you feel you need to do a slingshot style cycle for a first foray into anabolics? Simply use the link provided above and follow it to the letter. You'll do great without over complicating things.

This made me laugh. lol
I figured it was a better option than blast & cruise w/ loads of Tren .

**Khazima** · 09-24-2014, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by _-KL-_

This made me laugh. lol
I figured it was a better option than blast & cruise w/ loads of Tren .

Just test e 500mg p/w 12 weeks cut out the eq, adex is fine.

**kelkel** · 09-24-2014, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by _-KL-_

This made me laugh. lol
I figured it was a better option than blast & cruise w/ loads of Tren .

Well, I'm here to entertain, and educate. Keep it simple KL. Learn what test will do for you. With on point nutrition and training you'll be impressed.

**_-KL-_** · 09-24-2014, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Well, I'm here to entertain, and educate. Keep it simple KL. Learn what test will do for you. With on point nutrition and training you'll be impressed.

Looking forward to it!! I have a feeling the hard part will be keeping gains once coming off....
However, I'm willing to do a few basic cycles with proper PCT before committing to TRT for life.

**kelkel** · 09-24-2014, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by _-KL-_

Looking forward to it!! I have a feeling the hard part will be keeping gains once coming off....
However, I'm willing to do a few basic cycles with proper PCT before committing to TRT for life.

No reason to think your guaranteed TRT. Do things right, don't get greedy and impatient like so many do, monitor BW and hopefully TRT is way down the road. Let us know how your cycle goes for you.

kel