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    Second cycle

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    28 years old
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    155 pounds
    12% bf
    Been working out for 4 years, in the amateur MMA cicruit for one year

    First cycle was a Dbol only at 20 mg ED (PCT Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20) to see how my body reacts to steroids . Went from 148 pounds to 160 pounds in 7 weeks. Kept around half of it. Now weighing in at 155 pounds offseason and fighting at 150. However I like my bigger self better and looking to go on a second cycle and maybe go up a couple of weight categories.

    I have a plan for a second cycle which is 250 mg test enanthate for 12 weeks with an AI and the same PCT. My question is how much aromatization am I looking at if I pack in Arimidex in the cycle (risk of hairloss and low sex drive especially) and is it advisable to run anavar during the last two weeks to cut and lose whatever water weight I may have put on?

    I know this is a weird situation, because I have to be able to be in a relatively low weight category (because I'm short) to keep my advantage in the cage. I can't afford to bloat up as on a 500 mg dose of test because of what I do. That's why the small dose.

    Is it really worth it? Or should I just run var for 6-8 weeks with proper PCT? I don't think I should go for an oral only again, but I'd like to know opinions.

    I know I'm going to get flamed from the big dogs here, but if there are any who understands my predicament please let me know. Thanks.

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    Var would be a good option.
    Still use arimidex at that dose of test. Maybe .25mg the morning after the injection. Should be plenty.

    Over the course of 3 months I gained 7 solid pounds with only 250mg test...
    So yes you will see gains.

    Add var to that and you can gain signifiant amount of lean mass.

    If you eat properly
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    If this is your first Test cycle you'll see results with 250mg/wk. Test E is a longer ester and will retain more water than Test Prop. If you're looking to hold less water you might consider an 8 week Test Prop cycle.

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    You should get BW, and find out where your T levels are currently. I mean, if you are at 750 already, then 250mg/wk should provide sufficient gains. If your T level is below 500, then perhaps 500mg/wk would be better. There are so many variables that play into this, and you shouldn't take what works for someone else and assume it will work the same for you. There are also several ways to mitigate water mass on any cycle, and also your diet. I can gain 10 lbs in 2 weeks simply by increasing my food consumption. Or, I can decrease my weight by the same by cutting my food consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldoghorn View Post
    You should get BW, and find out where your T levels are currently. I mean, if you are at 750 already, then 250mg/wk should provide sufficient gains. If your T level is below 500, then perhaps 500mg/wk would be better. There are so many variables that play into this, and you shouldn't take what works for someone else and assume it will work the same for you. There are also several ways to mitigate water mass on any cycle, and also your diet. I can gain 10 lbs in 2 weeks simply by increasing my food consumption. Or, I can decrease my weight by the same by cutting my food consumption.
    This ^^...and reading Austinite's Beginner Cycle.

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    Okay. So am I going to see some loss of libido while on this cycle? I didn't have any problems with Dbol at 20 mg ED but I don't know how test and var fare in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldoghorn View Post
    You should get BW, and find out where your T levels are currently. I mean, if you are at 750 already, then 250mg/wk should provide sufficient gains. If your T level is below 500, then perhaps 500mg/wk would be better. There are so many variables that play into this, and you shouldn't take what works for someone else and assume it will work the same for you. There are also several ways to mitigate water mass on any cycle, and also your diet. I can gain 10 lbs in 2 weeks simply by increasing my food consumption. Or, I can decrease my weight by the same by cutting my food consumption.
    I may be mistaken here but wouldn't it not make a difference what your Test results are since you are going to get shut down anyway?? If im mistaken here, i apologize but i was under the impression that just 200mg will shut your natural down regardless. So the amount you are producing naturally before hand, will not have anything to do with how much you choose to take.

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