my current cycle

[mr_ectomorph]

Hello, I need some advice on my current cycle. I am thinking of throwing in new compounds.

Current drug cycle (6weeks in):

175mg test e eod
100mg tren ace eod
0.25mg adex ed
0.5mg prami ed
25mcg x2 cytomel t3 ed

I am blasting and cruising. Therefore, cycle length and amount of compounds doesn't matter to me as long as I'm healthy and side effects aren't too harsh.

I am thinking of bumping my test dose and throwing in npp. And by the end of my blast, throwing in some dbol if sides are manageable to push the results further.
I don't mind the bloating from dbol.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated

[mr_ectomorph]

I have been discussing this with some close friends of mine. I ruled out dbol and I will not be bumping the test. I am supposedly looking flatter than I should on a bulk. I am guessing this is the doing of t3 and tren throwing my carbs in a dark hole. Therefore, I have decided to taper down t3 to 25mcg once a day and I will be throwing in npp at around 400-700mg pw to get fuller. My best bet is somewhere around 140-160mg eod (490-560mg pw).
I will run it for 6-8 more weeks with test and tren, and than I will start cutting down.
What do you guys think?

[lovbyts]

Do you really want to know? You arent going to find any love here when it comes to a 19yr old KID doing such a reckless and everything but the kitchen sink thrown into it.

Just come back later when you are trying to recover and cant figure out why you are depressed, loss any muscle you gained and have ED. I look forward to that post.

[Khazima]

You should add in a big dose of education at 1g a week as well, given sides are manageable, using specific techniques like putting that shit down and praying you recover.

[mr_ectomorph]

I'm not planning on recovering. Which means I'm not planning on coming off gear. Which means I will not be depressed nor lose any muscle.
I had 1 question, you don't need to answer it if you're going to diss me for doing something that doesn't appeal to you or many others. I guess I should have lied about my age, but that wouldn't help me.

[marcus300]

Why are you going to stay on steroids?
what are your stats?

[Khazima]

Oh ok, I must've forgot that you know exactly what you'll be wanting to be doing/doing in 10+ years.

It's not what appeals/doesn't appeal to us that matters (I'm 19 as well) it's what's smart and safe that matters.

[lovbyts]

I'm not planning on recovering. Which means I'm not planning on coming off gear. Which means I will not be depressed nor lose any muscle.
I had 1 question, you don't need to answer it if you're going to diss me for doing something that doesn't appeal to you or many others. I guess I should have lied about my age, but that wouldn't help me.

Nope it would not have helped. 19, 29, 39, 49 it's a bad idea.

You asked for feedback so you are getting it.

[mr_ectomorph]

I agree with you. But I'll be in this sport most of my life. I don't see the point of coming off if I'll be planning on cycling on and off. I'm planning on doing growth hormones at my peak on steroids.
I'm not doing it for the sake of competing, because idk if I ever will because I'm not ready for that yet. But what I know is I love bodybuilding, and achieving the physique I dream for definitely requires jucing.
I don't see what's so terrible about injecting yourself once a week once you're older. That's what cruising is made for. Giving your body a break.
But again, there is a lot for me to learn, but what I do know is that I don't want to come off.

[mr_ectomorph]

Anyways, most men are on trt in there 40s... and if they are not, I can gaurantee you they have low testosterone levels which is a natural thing as u grow older

[lovbyts]

You may not want to but more than likely you will not have a choice because your system is just going to shut down and you will start to feel like crap, get depressed and with you had never done it. Life is also not over at 30 even if you try to shorten it. Most of the time you will just suffer with poor health the remaining 30+ years if you dont take care of yourself and do things right now.

Anyways, most men are on trt in there 40s... and if they are not, I can gaurantee you they have low testosterone levels which is a natural thing as u grow older

No you are wrong, not in their 40s, 50+ yes a lot of us are but I can guarantee you that non of us would choose to be on TRT if we could have normal testosterone levels.

[marcus300]

I agree with you. But I'll be in this sport most of my life. I don't see the point of coming off if I'll be planning on cycling on and off. I'm planning on doing growth hormones at my peak on steroids.
I'm not doing it for the sake of competing, because idk if I ever will because I'm not ready for that yet. But what I know is I love bodybuilding, and achieving the physique I dream for definitely requires jucing.
I don't see what's so terrible about injecting yourself once a week once you're older. That's what cruising is made for. Giving your body a break.
But again, there is a lot for me to learn, but what I do know is that I don't want to come off.

You have no idea what your talking about and this is the worse thing you can do at 19yrs old. Getting big doesn't mean steroids for the rest of your life. Your going to do yourself some serious harm.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies. http://forums.steroid.com/educationa...#.UWZ9Mp5waM8=

[mr_ectomorph]

My system is already shutdown. But I am obviously using exogenous testosterone to compensate for my shutdown in endogenous testosterone. Maybe you could enlighten me and explain me why I would be depressed and feel like crap.
You are someone who knows more than me, and it would be great if you could explain it.
And I think health is better when you have the energy of an 18 year old at 30. Test doesnt make you feel like crap nor depressed. It does the opposite.
But again, maybe u could help me out and explain me

[Haydenz]

Another 19 year old making a thread, asking for advice, then being the generation that hes in gets told the RIGHT advice and is going to do what he wants anyways. I hope you dont take the path your about to choose bro.

You came here for guidance , advice, and help, that's what we are here for and that's what you just got by two VERY educated people above, but! We tend to shy away from the people who come back "x" amount of months later with issues.

Good luck my friend.

[Haydenz]

Have you cycled before? I got lost in the amount of posts above?

[Khazima]

It is painful to try and comprehend the thought process of kids my age..

[marcus300]

My system is already shutdown. But I am obviously using exogenous testosterone to compensate for my shutdown in endogenous testosterone. Maybe you could enlighten me and explain me why I would be depressed and feel like crap.
You are someone who knows more than me, and it would be great if you could explain it.
And I think health is better when you have the energy of an 18 year old at 30. Test doesnt make you feel like crap nor depressed. It does the opposite.
But again, maybe u could help me out and explain me

Of course it will be shut down using test and tren when your 18-19yrs old, if you cant gain weight and size at your age naturally then your wasting your time with steroids. You don't understand the implication of using so young and having your HPTA shut down its complete madness but because your young you think you know best because you have in your head that you need to use steroids to be big but it takes a lot more than using steroids to remain big and muscular.

How tall are you?
what do you weight?

IMHO come off and recover your natural test and concentrate on your training and diet. I know what your going to say that your training is hardcore and your diet is excellent but in all honesty it wont be at your age and these two areas are the key to growth not steroids at your age. I sense I have completely wasting my time in writing this so i'll let you carry on but one day you will realize that we are all right, there isn't one person on here who agrees with you and your speaking to guys who have cycled and trianed longer than you have been alive what does that tell you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lovbyts]

Of course it will be shut down using test and tren when your 18-19yrs old, if you cant gain weight and size at your age naturally then your wasting your time with steroids. You don't understand the implication of using so young and having your HPTA shut down its complete madness but because your young you think you know best because you have in your head that you need to use steroids to be big but it takes a lot more than using steroids to remain big and muscular.

How tall are you?
what do you weight?

IMHO come off and recover your natural test and concentrate on your training and diet. I know what your going to say that your training is hardcore and your diet is excellent but in all honesty it wont be at your age and these two areas are the key to growth not steroids at your age. I sense I have completely wasting my time in writing this so i'll let you carry on but one day you will realize that we are all right, there isn't one person on here who agrees with you and your speaking to guys who have cycled and trianed longer than you have been alive what does that tell you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We do have one member who would have agreed with him and went down the same aas path. Remember that z guy? Oh yeah, he died didnt he?