Finished first test cyp cycle need advise for pct!!

[sosa187]

Just finished my first ever testo cyp 250mg/ml 10ml bottle
have been on for about 6 months almost done my third bottle have about 2 shots left. I have been doing 250mg/week
Age 19, weight 170 pounds BF% about 11% started at 135 pounds.... I know I ****ed up lol...
I have HCG, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, Nolvadex and Aromasin. Estrogen side effects not sure if i had any.. no gyno, achy joints, just some acne on back shoulders and higher heart rate but thats normal with cyp. still use some Aromasin every few days low dose just incase but not sure if i really need it
Haven't used HCG yet, planning on after last injection and then doing nolva/aromasin PCT
not sure if i shutdown too bad yet, balls never really shrank except for scrotum sometimes when cold... erections and sex drive for the past 4 weeks haven't been as strong but still get them...
Need some expert advise on how much dosage of HCG required for my bodyweight, how often and also when to start HCG. i know Nolva should be ran few days after last HCG inject, correct me if im wrong
Came to it and decided this will be my first ever and only cycle ever, kind of regret my cycle just want to go back to being natural as quick as possible.

[Khazima]

Wow.. You had one long lapse of judgement.. Whoever comes to fix this I'd just say give him the PCT protocol instead of the lecture, it sounds like you'll be learning the hard way.

[marcus300]

Go to the pct section and do some reading just like you should of done before you started cycling at 19yrs old. This sounds like a fuk straight from the start and the only way forward is to learn, sounds like the hard way for you but we have a whole section on pct so please do some readying and understand what you have done.

Don't forget to get some bw done after 6-8 weeks after pct end to see what damage you may have done to your natural test.

[sosa187]

Thanks for reply. Alright I'll look into PCT section but will it tell me what I need to do for such a long cycle like this? And is the stuff I have enough for me to recover?

[derekkpapa1]

250mg a week wtf are you a kid or something. Oh yeah sorry your 19 missed that.
No more shots abort now
wait 18 days
Run nolva 40/40/20/20/20 and clomid 75/75/50/50/25

I would start using hcg right now (mix it as you read) up till pct

Hope for full recovery that was real stupid it wasn't even a real cycle

As big Marcus said get bw

[wufo]

Wowowowoowww couldnt even finish reading the whole thing dude u ****ed up u ginna end up with hormone replacement ... Anyways idk what to tell u run the ****ing aromasin now if if iff it works... And the hcg too holy i dont even know if this is gonna work... Gomee a doctor

[musclesmuscles]

250mg a week wtf are you a kid or something. Oh yeah sorry your 19 missed that.
No more shots abort now
wait 18 days
Run nolva 40/40/20/20/20 and clomid 75/75/50/50/25

I would start using hcg right now (mix it as you read) up till pct

Hope for full recovery that was real stupid it wasn't even a real cycle

As big Marcus said get bw

"Mix as you read" that shit got me going hahah

[sosa187]

Wowowowoowww couldnt even finish reading the whole thing dude u ****ed up u ginna end up with hormone replacement ... Anyways idk what to tell u run the ****ing aromasin now if if iff it works... And the hcg too holy i dont even know if this is gonna work... Gomee a doctor

Str8 up don't be a ****in goof, what's done is done haven't even had any side effects after this much time, should recover just fine for a first cycle

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[sosa187]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

I understand everyone is different and is effected differently and recovers differently, my cycles over with now. will it be smart to start HCG 500IU 3 times a week for 2 weeks then start Nolva/aromasin 4 days after last HCG injection or should i up the HCG dosage because of my long ass 6 month cycle of test cyp only?

[derekkpapa1]

I already gave you that answer
and in the stickies there is a write up in austinites educational database about hcg

[lovbyts]

250mg a week wtf are you a kid or something. Oh yeah sorry your 19 missed that.
No more shots abort now
wait 18 days
Run nolva 40/40/20/20/20 and clomid 75/75/50/50/25

I would start using hcg right now (mix it as you read) up till pct

Hope for full recovery that was real stupid it wasn't even a real cycle

As big Marcus said get bw

Did you read this? ^^^^^

You can double the amount of HCG without a problem and then start the PCT in 2 weeks.

Run Nolva & Clomid. Aromisin (Exemestane) is an AI and should be run during cycle, not during PCT. Some people like Adex, some like liquid stane (Exemestane) for AI.

[sosa187]

Did you read this? ^^^^^

You can double the amount of HCG without a problem and then start the PCT in 2 weeks.

Run Nolva & Clomid. Aromisin (Exemestane) is an AI and should be run during cycle, not during PCT. Some people like Adex, some like liquid stane (Exemestane) for AI.

No clomid bro my eye sights already ****ed to shit will use nolva instead. And why not use aromasin during HCG and PCT since estrogen will sky rocket? I read that aromasin and nolva work great together. Also 1 thing my HCG just came In and my last shot was 7 days ago I should still be able to pin HCG right or should I do a small 100mg dose then start HCG?