test tren winn 19 yr old

[dernico]

This is My second thread
I posted same one in New members thread
Then the person replied to make a thread here
So here it is
I am 19 year old
My goal is modeling
currently my weight is 85 kg 6 fit height
My personal trainer suggest me to start a cycle
And my cycle looks like This
TEST p Tren a winn(injectable)
clen And t3 oral
hcg Clomid nolva
I don't know the dose yet but he says it Wil be very mild as it's my first cycle
please I need suggestion whether I start or not
And it not then why not
thanks in advance

[Haydenz]

HERE WE GO AGAIN...

Were is lovbyts when you need him!

okok, Im going to edit this post and say,

your personal trainer is a moron,
you are going to do alot of harm on your body,
PLEASE take my advice and train hard, eat well and don't think about AAS untill your 25 +

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[lovbyts]

You rang?

I cant add a lot to the above without being rude. I agree 100% your trainer is a moron and in now way has your best interest in mind. He is only looking for a quick short term fix to help him make money sacrificing your future health. He is not your fiend.

Please read this to start with and we will go from there.
Courtesy of Marcus

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Khazima]

Haha nice one lovbyts, I was literally just thinking about doing that.

[almostgone]

This is My second thread
I posted same one in New members thread
Then the person replied to make a thread here
So here it is
I am 19 year old
My goal is modeling
currently my weight is 85 kg 6 fit height
My personal trainer suggest me to start a cycle
And my cycle looks like This
TEST p Tren a winn(injectable)
clen And t3 oral
hcg Clomid nolva
I don't know the dose yet but he says it Wil be very mild as it's my first cycle
please I need suggestion whether I start or not
And it not then why not
thanks in advance

Before you start the cycle your trainer proposed, turn the tables on him. Ask your trainer why you can't reach your goals by diet and exercise. At 6' and 85kg, you are probably relatively lean....which is good if modeling is your goal.
My reasoning is if you can attain your goals through diet and exercise, I would hold the cycle in reserve. That way, if your modeling gig turns into a full time job, you still have "tools in the toolbox" to progress further.
I will say that the cycle your trainer proposed is in no way mild.....especially for a first cycle, no matter what the dosage.
....I see.you have been a member for a while now, dernico. Glad to see your continued interest.

[dghartley]

Wow you're trainer is a idiot,

I haven't got a clue why he would even suggest that at your age.

Also stacking steroids on your first cycle isn't the best of ideas.

My suggestion to you is to keep up the hard work, if you're looking to get lean have a look into thermos--but even then again I'd never suggest these to people (I don't really agree with to much caffeine).

Eat clean as hell (I don't even take these protein shakes because they make me feel bloated and can't perform to my best) and keep on working at it.

Oh and yeah get a new trainer, he obviously is either stupid and doesn't know what the **** he's doing or doesn't care for your health.

Best of luck lad

[dernico]

Thank all of you guys
I made up my decision
I will do it with a strict diet and supplementation for next few years
Until then I will do some more research
Thanks again
btw is there any alternative to aas ? Lol I know its not possible but just in case

[Literal]

at your age? smash legs and eat tons. thatll naturally boost your test

ahh what id give to be your age again haha

[Haydenz]

At your age bro your test should be raging!!! What I did when my growth was lacking a bit I would research different methods of working my muscle

Fst 7 program is great
Dorian yates 3 set workout
5x5 is brutal as hell as well ,

When you get to the age when you start aas, your going to be able to work a muscle like a pro and under stand what method it takes for you to get big.. I have faith in you bro .

P.s kick your trainer to the curb, he sucks. Bad.

[motivated247]

Glad you reconsidered at your age, 19 is when you reach a test peak naturally (everyone is different of course) At that age I put on 15kg (roughly 33lbs) in just under a year only training bodyweight movement (no sups).

Also to answer your question the only real alternative to aas is SUPS, if you haven't hit creatine etc hard you have a list of untouched gains ahead

[lovbyts]

Thank all of you guys
I made up my decision
I will do it with a strict diet and supplementation for next few years
Until then I will do some more research
Thanks again
btw is there any alternative to aas ? Lol I know its not possible but just in case

Good choice. The best alternative is diet.

[almostgone]

Thank all of you guys
I made up my decision
I will do it with a strict diet and supplementation for next few years
Until then I will do some more research
Thanks again
btw is there any alternative to aas ? Lol I know its not possible but just in case

Yes...diet manipulation and exercise. There is a short cut to hard work....it's called working hard. Do your best and then challenge yourself to do even better. Best of luck. I think you made an excellent choice.

[marcus300]

Thank all of you guys
I made up my decision
I will do it with a strict diet and supplementation for next few years
Until then I will do some more research
Thanks again
btw is there any alternative to aas ? Lol I know its not possible but just in case

That's an excellent decision and very educated at your age well done. You can easily reach your goals with attacking your diet and training. If your post your diet and training routine in the relevant sections of this forum we will guide you to achieving your goals. The best thing at your age is not to shut down your developing testosterone and use it to your advantage because you can work wonders in the two areas I've mentioned above. Best of luck

[PistolPete33]

I agree. I started lifting around 18 years old and started at 125lbs. I remember getting up to 150lbs and feeling like a monster. The gains happened quickly and I continued until I was at 180lbs. a few years later. After many many years at 185 I decided to start my first cycle. You just need to eat and train and it will happen.

[nuttyproffsser]

whos hes trainer Dr. Jack Kevorkian?

[dernico]

My diet is like morning with 6 egg Whites with some fruits
then afternoon iso protein shake then mid day is like pulses rice and chicken breast with 1 Apple then pre workout after gym again protein shake at dinner it's like 4 chapati (Roti) with chicken and veggies before bed a glass of milk
and my workout is
Monday chest and back
Tuesday shoulder legs abs
Wednesday bicep triceps abs
then Thursday off
then the chain starts again with chest back

[kelkel]

Hit the Nutrition Forum here dernico and discuss your goals with the vets there. They'll analyze your diet and help you get there.