First time cycle please give any suggestions...

[Grymreefer]

I can agree with you that information at times is regurgitated on multiple occasions. What I do know is that before I make a bold statement such as saying an AI is a must on any cycle, I double checked my sources and made sure to not post wrong information. I try not to at least. On the note of you don't know till you have tried yourself. Yes, everyone has varying physiological responses to estrogen, but what is 100% certain is that there are members are on here with experience in this field that you could not fathom. Some of them are actual medical professionals! An AI is necessary. Why would you wait till symptoms physically appear before applying the AI? Bloat, gyno, and acne are just a few symptoms of high e2 but in comparison to what long term affects it can do to the inside of you is something that you should actually consider. I personally have never dealt with a lot of these situations, but I also know that I'm 23 years old, have not reached my genetic limit, and I don't plan on administering exogenous hormones until I'm fully developed and have reached my maximum potential. Even then after all I have learned now I honestly don't know if I'll ever try to go down that pathway again.

You guys can listen to whatever you want. You came to this site to get the correct answers, but instead you insist on only listening to what you want to hear so why even bother with worrying how to do it right? That comment of.."I haven't gotten bloodwork simply because I feel fine libido is good not very bloated and only some mild acne sometimes.." is golden. You are using testosterone. It aromatizes to estrogen. You can't stop that, but you wouldn't know because it seems you don't have a clear understanding of how the various enzymatic processes of the body occur. Or you just refuse to listen. I don't even know why I continue to argue. Just helps me sharpen the information that I've retained in my brain I guess. I wish you luck and I can't believe at one time I was just as flat out ignorant about playing god with my hormones as you are.

[marcus300]

I can agree with you that information at times is regurgitated on multiple occasions. What I do know is that before I make a bold statement such as saying an AI is a must on any cycle, I double checked my sources and made sure to not post wrong information. I try not to at least. On the note of you don't know till you have tried yourself. Yes, everyone has varying physiological responses to estrogen, but what is 100% certain is that there are members are on here with experience in this field that you could not fathom. Some of them are actual medical professionals! An AI is necessary. Why would you wait till symptoms physically appear before applying the AI? Bloat, gyno, and acne are just a few symptoms of high e2 but in comparison to what long term affects it can do to the inside of you is something that you should actually consider. I personally have never dealt with a lot of these situations, but I also know that I'm 23 years old, have not reached my genetic limit, and I don't plan on administering exogenous hormones until I'm fully developed and have reached my maximum potential. Even then after all I have learned now I honestly don't know if I'll ever try to go down that pathway again.

You guys can listen to whatever you want. You came to this site to get the correct answers, but instead you insist on only listening to what you want to hear so why even bother with worrying how to do it right? That comment of.."I haven't gotten bloodwork simply because I feel fine libido is good not very bloated and only some mild acne sometimes.." is golden. You are using testosterone. It aromatizes to estrogen. You can't stop that, but you wouldn't know because it seems you don't have a clear understanding of how the various enzymatic processes of the body occur. Or you just refuse to listen. I don't even know why I continue to argue. Just helps me sharpen the information that I've retained in my brain I guess. I wish you luck and I can't believe at one time I was just as flat out ignorant about playing god with my hormones as you are.

Bit of advice for yourself don't give out steroid advice if you have never used or experienced them, it can give the wrong impression no matter what you have read, let the vets answer who have experience in the area. Thanks

[tectime]

^^^^^ now that may be the best advice given I've ever seen on here! Hahaha ! Lots of great advice here but that's golden right there!

[Ainew]

I can agree with you that information at times is regurgitated on multiple occasions. What I do know is that before I make a bold statement such as saying an AI is a must on any cycle, I double checked my sources and made sure to not post wrong information. I try not to at least. On the note of you don't know till you have tried yourself. Yes, everyone has varying physiological responses to estrogen, but what is 100% certain is that there are members are on here with experience in this field that you could not fathom. Some of them are actual medical professionals! An AI is necessary. Why would you wait till symptoms physically appear before applying the AI? Bloat, gyno, and acne are just a few symptoms of high e2 but in comparison to what long term affects it can do to the inside of you is something that you should actually consider. I personally have never dealt with a lot of these situations, but I also know that I'm 23 years old, have not reached my genetic limit, and I don't plan on administering exogenous hormones until I'm fully developed and have reached my maximum potential. Even then after all I have learned now I honestly don't know if I'll ever try to go down that pathway again.

You guys can listen to whatever you want. You came to this site to get the correct answers, but instead you insist on only listening to what you want to hear so why even bother with worrying how to do it right? That comment of.."I haven't gotten bloodwork simply because I feel fine libido is good not very bloated and only some mild acne sometimes.." is golden. You are using testosterone. It aromatizes to estrogen. You can't stop that, but you wouldn't know because it seems you don't have a clear understanding of how the various enzymatic processes of the body occur. Or you just refuse to listen. I don't even know why I continue to argue. Just helps me sharpen the information that I've retained in my brain I guess. I wish you luck and I can't believe at one time I was just as flat out ignorant about playing god with my hormones as you are.

So if I give my opinion based on my experience with the gear,I'm only hearing what I want to hear but if you read some guys forum posts with 10k posts then it makes his opinion more valid than everyone who isn't a "vet" ? Got it. Do you not see how you are just blindly following what some guys on the internet post. I'm not saying you can't believe some but you have to find out what works for you.

Do you know what is golden to me ? That people actually buy into "reach ur genetic potential bro then you are allowed to use". If you want to reach that natty fine go for it. But if you aren't an idiot and plan to use AAS in the future why would you not just speed up the process. Why are you waiting ? Oh because some guy claiming to be a medical professional on a board with 10k post told you to. I want to make a guess and say you have been researching AAS for a very long time as told by forum guys. But in reality 1 week of reading the basics tell you everything you need to know. This is same fear mongering fox news does. Although after reading about a guy injecting oral clomid perhaps this is a necessary evil.

I'm also 23 and have been BnC for a year now. Yeah I'm not playing god with my hormones.I am my own god. You are in control of your life not a fairy tale man in the sky.

[tectime]

It's not the number of posts it's the number of years. Posts are easy just type anything.... Boom .... Post but experience from years of doing something different story. I personally wouldn't follow anyone's advise on an open forum where you don't know anything about who is giving said advice but I would rather have an intelligent opinion from an experienced person then from someone with no experience and only knowledge they acquired by reading shit on some forum. Best to take the info you receive and search the shit out of it to see if there is any truth medically or if it's just somebody's opinion.

[tectime]

Oh and I'd research alittle religion if I was you to. No sense in living a half full life cause you can't believe in something more powerful than yourself. Another lesson I'm sure life will teach you in good time. Hahaha!

[jrogan]

Bit of advice for yourself don't give out steroid advice if you have never used or experienced them, it can give the wrong impression no matter what you have read, let the vets answer who have experience in the area. Thanks

Marcus300,

Would you think it'd be possible to use the regimen I provided at the start of this post to build muscle a little faster utilizing the diet I have been on for a little over 1.5 years? My goal is to get to around 190-200LB and maintain that. it took me 1 year to put on 20LB by eating and exercising to where I am currently at. Again, I was at 150LB a year ago and I now weigh 170LB. I have been on the same diet but incorporating my BCAA's, Whey/Casine Protein, CLA's, OMEGA-3's, and N.O.'s

Also, you mentioned utilizing now with my test levels in the 700 would be a bad ideal. Could you elaborate a little more on that please?

Thank you for the feed back...

[Ainew]

It's not the number of posts it's the number of years. Posts are easy just type anything.... Boom .... Post but experience from years of doing something different story. I personally wouldn't follow anyone's advise on an open forum where you don't know anything about who is giving said advice but I would rather have an intelligent opinion from an experienced person then from someone with no experience and only knowledge they acquired by reading shit on some forum. Best to take the info you receive and search the shit out of it to see if there is any truth medically or if it's just somebody's opinion.

You aren't getting my point,anyone can say they have these experience on the internet you are saying because they have more post they are intelligent and won't lie. That's why I'm saying people should read basic guidelines then ignore the random posts and experience these things themselves.

Just because someone has more experience with something doesn't mean they know better than everyone or are even good at it. Just like plenty of people waste years in the gym doing incorrect form but giving out that advice to other people in the gym.

[tectime]

Oh no I said posts don't count. Anyone can post whatever. I said to take the info you get and find out for yourself as much as you can. What I said is people with more experience, years and years experience tend to have worked through the incorrect ways of doing things and usually have figured the angles they need to make shit work for them. I also said never follow blindly into the dark about anything. Research for yourself, find someone you can trust....not to be a peacock fluffing their feathers tring to look cool.... and can really explain things the way it has worked for them. With hormones you can't continuously do them incorrectly. It will def eliminate the dumb and the weak. So someone that is still at it and healthy and looking good after years and years probly has a decent idea what's going on. Would I follow their advise.... Hell no ! But I'm not a real good follower to start with. Hahaha!

[Mr. Small]

You really need to analyse the amounts of macros in your diets properly in grams to get an accurate calorie count.

Try keying your food intake into myfitnesspal.com and adjust your diet from there.

[tectime]

^^^^ some more sound advise. My fitness pal is a great tool for not just counting your cals but for figuring out the values of foods you eat on a reg. basis. It's also very easy to use with the barcode scanner and it's memory to combine entries that you frequently eat together.

[jrogan]

So, I should weigh out all of my meals using grams, correct?

Also, using gear wouldn't benefit me to gain 20-30 lbs and maintaining that on my frame at my current structure?

[BG]

Sorry I dont buy into the diet thing. All that time in the gym and food, if so this sport isnt for you, find something new before you wreck yourself with steroids.

[jrogan]

Sorry I dont buy into the diet thing. All that time in the gym and food, if so this sport isnt for you, find something new before you wreck yourself with steroids.

I get the impression you are assuming that I want get huge like the pictures you have as an avatar or like marcus300. Would one cycle really cause that much damage that it would destroy my body?

[marcus300]

I get the impression you are assuming that I want get huge like the pictures you have as an avatar or like marcus300. Would one cycle really cause that much damage that it would destroy my body?

jrogan, you need to build a base my friend at 170lbs at your height you need to learn how to eat to build mass and size, if you cant do this with your current diet its simple eat more. It will be a waste of time going on cycle because you will lose everything afterwards because your diet cant maintain any new tissue if it did you would be heavier. Ive told you this already in this thread but you decided to listen to people telling you to take gear but in all honesty build another 20lbs at least by food, increase the food and learn how to train to stimulate serious growth.

[jrogan]

I was thinking that taking a cycle would get me to my goal weight. So, what in a sense you're saying is I don't need to take any gear. I should just keep training for another year and that should put me to my ideal weight. (190-200) based on my past growth.

[marcus300]

I was thinking that taking a cycle would get me to my goal weight. So, what in a sense you're saying is I don't need to take any gear. I should just keep training for another year and that should put me to my ideal weight. (190-200) based on my past growth.

What you need to do is look at your diet again because everytime you put weight on you need to increase your cals to grow further otherwise you will stay at the same weight. Going on gear at your weight will do you no good in my eyes because you need to build a base and from what you told us you don't have one yet. I also doubt the food intake you tell us but this game is all about being consistent in everything you do. My advice is to eat more and also train harder to stimulate muscle growth and out on some more natural weight another 20lbs can easily be obtainable without worrying about shutting down and recovery etc. Build the base and then hit a cycle and watch what will happen - maintainable gains

[kelkel]

Do you know what is golden to me ? That people actually buy into "reach ur genetic potential bro then you are allowed to use". If you want to reach that natty fine go for it. But if you aren't an idiot and plan to use AAS in the future why would you not just speed up the process. Why are you waiting ? Oh because some guy claiming to be a medical professional on a board with 10k post told you to. I want to make a guess and say you have been researching AAS for a very long time as told by forum guys. But in reality 1 week of reading the basics tell you everything you need to know. This is same fear mongering fox news does. Although after reading about a guy injecting oral clomid perhaps this is a necessary evil.

I'm also 23 and have been BnC for a year now. Yeah I'm not playing god with my hormones.I am my own god. You are in control of your life not a fairy tale man in the sky.

Post a pic of your god-like self please. Put your money where your mouth is.

[jrogan]

Thank you, again, Marcus300. My conclusion is to not take anything and continue with what I am currently doing. I am an ectomorph and not a mesomorph like majority of body builders. I will stay lean and build muscle a lot slower than someone who's not my body type.

Again, Thank you for inside view and knowledge.