Gram of cyp

**Anabolicbrain** · 11-01-2014, 03:21 PM

Considering diet and caloric intake are in check and high enough, would there be any difference from 600-1000 I don't want to waste the money if it's only going to be a nuance difference.

**Gaspaco** · 11-01-2014, 03:26 PM

Yes.

In sides for sure

**Anabolicbrain** · 11-01-2014, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gaspaco

Yes.

In sides for sure

Well that I expected, however I would be dosing an A.I the entire time. But what about gains vs sides

**Gaspaco** · 11-01-2014, 03:31 PM

What are your stats and cycle plan?

**qscgugcsq** · 11-01-2014, 03:36 PM

More steroid will always yield more gain if everything is exactly the same (which it is rarely the case)

And twice the gear wont yield twice the gain. Best case scenario 10% more...

So you pay twice the price for 10% more but you really have to deal wth twice the side if not more.

So more isnt better in most case...

600mg/week is plenty to have great result no matter your goal.
Reaching 1g do not worth the expense and the side IMO

**Grymreefer** · 11-01-2014, 03:46 PM

Can the body even fully utilize a gram of testosterone a week effectively? Regardless of ester.

**Mp859** · 11-01-2014, 04:03 PM

Depends on how big you are and what your cycle history looks like.

**Grymreefer** · 11-01-2014, 04:08 PM

I've read that prolonged use of AAS can upregulate androgen receptors within the body. That's the only explanation I could think as to why someone would use such a large amount. If your spending that kind of money why not just go for HGH?

**qscgugcsq** · 11-01-2014, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Grymreefer

I've read that prolonged use of AAS can upregulate androgen receptors within the body. That's the only explanation I could think as to why someone would use such a large amount. If your spending that kind of money why not just go for HGH?

It is true that receptor upregulate but it is a long term process you will ha e few benefit in 3 months...

And using 1g of cyp/week is FAR FAR LESS expensive than replacement dose of legir HGH...

**Grymreefer** · 11-01-2014, 05:58 PM

Thanks for clarifying. I tried to do my own HGH recon one night, but as you stated with the prices. I was most likely on a scammer website! So the upregulation of the receptors is minimal at best? I always wondered to what extent the upregulation occurs because I hear these cycle protocols utilized by pro's "supposedly" and it is always an astronomical amount. The body can only do so much with what it has. Not asking sources or any crap like that. On average what is the price of legitimate HGH?

**Anabolicbrain** · 11-01-2014, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by qscgugcsq

It is true that receptor upregulate but it is a long term process you will ha e few benefit in 3 months...

And using 1g of cyp/week is FAR FAR LESS expensive than replacement dose of legir HGH...

1000mg test is dirt cheap compared to hgh lol. I've been blasting and cruising for years now. So 600 is good enough? How about 750? No diff probably with 150mg extra?

**Ashop** · 11-01-2014, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolicbrain

Considering diet and caloric intake are in check and high enough, would there be any difference from 600-1000 I don't want to waste the money if it's only going to be a nuance difference.

Yes there would be. 1gram is my personal max

**Grymreefer** · 11-01-2014, 06:18 PM

I don't actually partake in anything so I'm generally clueless on prices unless its from ar-r . Is testosterone really that cheap?

**Khazima** · 11-01-2014, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Grymreefer

I don't actually partake in anything so I'm generally clueless on prices unless its from ar-r. Is testosterone really that cheap?

Price talk is against the rules as well.

Test is very cheap.

**RangerDanger830** · 11-01-2014, 09:48 PM

I have ventured into the gram+ range here and there and came to the conclusion that it was not worth it, even when having all ancillaries on hand and doing an okay job at maintaining estrogen. It is all a matter of opinion and circumstances but as someone who knows he isn't going to be competing I see no good reason to go over 600mg of nearly any steroid . It all depends on your goals and experience and what you consider to be a good risk/benefit ratio.

**tectime** · 11-01-2014, 09:55 PM

I tend to agree with that ^^^^! I've ran over a gram of gear several times hell over a gram and a half and what I saw more of were issues to deal with.

**lovbyts** · 11-01-2014, 10:50 PM

More test = more sides such as converting into estrogen even when using an AI unless you know 100% what is going to happen. More estrogen means diminished gains so no, it's really not worth it IMO. Test is one of those things that most of the time less is more or at least using no more than you need for gains while minimizing the chances of sides.

**tectime** · 11-01-2014, 11:15 PM

^^^^Exactly. Even on a mg of anastrozole a day when running tes at 600 and deca at 400 my estrogen is hard to control and I'm quite good at keeping mine handled. After yrs of bloodwork as frequently as two weeks apart (just to see how levels dropped) and always before, during and after any/every blast or change in protocol you get to where you know the difference at quite an array of compounds and varying doses. After yrs of chasing that monster I've discovered that keeping my tes at 300 or alittle under wkly and allowing the other compounds to do their job that I get much better gains and no issues to have to deal with. At 250 Ives been able to cut my anastrozole needs in half and still keep estrogen under 25. Bloods two wks ago prove again. 200 mgs 1490 tes 17 estrogen bloods 6 wks prior 250 tes over 1500 estrogen 20 same anastrozole dose both tests. Looks like time to ride again. Haha oh yea it's time!

**Anabolicbrain** · 11-02-2014, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

^^^^Exactly. Even on a mg of anastrozole a day when running tes at 600 and deca at 400 my estrogen is hard to control and I'm quite good at keeping mine handled. After yrs of bloodwork as frequently as two weeks apart (just to see how levels dropped) and always before, during and after any/every blast or change in protocol you get to where you know the difference at quite an array of compounds and varying doses. After yrs of chasing that monster I've discovered that keeping my tes at 300 or alittle under wkly and allowing the other compounds to do their job that I get much better gains and no issues to have to deal with. At 250 Ives been able to cut my anastrozole needs in half and still keep estrogen under 25. Bloods two wks ago prove again. 200 mgs 1490 tes 17 estrogen bloods 6 wks prior 250 tes over 1500 estrogen 20 same anastrozole dose both tests. Looks like time to ride again. Haha oh yea it's time!

No problem I'll keep it at 600. Thanks guys. Also everyone's different. It took a ton of dbol and lots of test to even give me the slightest bit of gyno (100mg dbol a day for like 8 weeks, more sides than gains)

I know my e2 is down again, I also have 20mg aromasin tabs, my sex drive was awesome up until I took 20mg aromasin wed and 20mg Friday, now my skin is itchy and I can't sleep and my sex drive is lower. This is low e2, I've experienced this before.

I remember getting blood work done on 300mg prop and my e2 was within normal ranges with no A.I.

**Times Roman** · 11-02-2014, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolicbrain

Considering diet and caloric intake are in check and high enough, would there be any difference from 600-1000 I don't want to waste the money if it's only going to be a nuance difference.

everyone's sensitivity to test is different; sides and anabolicly.

I can see someone taking a gram of test, but they should be fairly experienced in the lower doses, which apparently you are not.

Scientific approach mate. You would take more test because you feel, based on experience, that 600mg was no longer giving you the boost you need.

With steroids , what they take should evolve over time, based on their physique and experience.

If you are needing a gram, because the lower dose is no longer providing the benefit you feel you need, it might be time to consider a second compound and back off the test a bit.

What is your cycle experience?