2nd Cycle - Tren A, Test P, Clen, T3

[Jesusbrah]

Hi guys

Gonna start my second cycle 1. january

Cycle will be 3 months of:
Tren A 100 mg eod
Test P 75 mg eod
Clen 2 weeks on/2 weeks off
T3

Just got off my 1st cycle which was Test E 500 mg every week for 3 months, gained 10 kg.

Stats:
Age - 19 years old
Weight - 100 kg/220 lbs
Bodyfat - 10%
Height - 192/6'4

Any opinions/advice for the cycle? I know im a little young, but gonna do it anyways

[Jonbolon]

U will be fine, solid cycle. Personally i would have added some ECA between your clen weeks. If you want to get ripped as hell, use an keto diet on this cycle. Will definetly get you down to 6-7% bf if youre cutting.

[Jesusbrah]

Thanks, anyone else?

[itsjayman02]

Thanks, anyone else?

Im out !!

[lovbyts]

U will be fine, solid cycle. Personally i would have added some ECA between your clen weeks. If you want to get ripped as hell, use an keto diet on this cycle. Will definetly get you down to 6-7% bf if youre cutting.

Can you say the blind leading the blind. Hey Jonbolon, how about doing some reading and learning before giving out advice especially since it sucks.

Here is a little senario for you. You just got your drivers license so you think you are ready to drive in and Indy race?

No one with any experience is going to tell you tren is good to use for a 2nd cycle and even less will tell you that you should be doing a cycle at 19, even if you have already done one and you think you are fine.

Have you ever heard of a HPTA? This is a good place you should start doing some reading of what you should and should not be doing. The risks are a lot greater than the results. Yeah we have all been there being young and indistructible and thinking it wont happen to me. You will find after being here a while it happens a LOT more than you think.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[marcus300]

Its not wise to cycle at your age before your natural test as developed,
using tren on your 2nd cycle isn't wise either

I would look at your diet and training for future gains because if you can gain at your age something in these two areas is wrong,

You may ignore our advice but one day you will wish you listened,

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Jesusbrah]

To lovbyts and marcus300:
Thanks for the info.

I agree, cycling at a young age isnt ideal. But there are plenty of successful people who have done it before me, including Arnold, The Rock and Lee Priest just to name a few.

No offence, but i didnt ask for a lecture about the endocrine system. My mind is set, this is something i wanna do. Will allways accept input about my cycle from more experienced users tho.

[itsjayman02]

To lovbyts and marcus300:
Thanks for the info.

I agree, cycling at a young age isnt ideal. But there are plenty of successful people who have done it before me, including Arnold, The Rock and Lee Priest just to name a few.

No offence, but i didnt ask for a lecture about the endocrine system. My mind is set, this is something i wanna do. Will allwas accept input about my cycle from more experianced users tho.

You dont get much more experienced than marcus and lovbyts....advice is given to help you!!

Not just what you want to hear.

[RigPig]

I'm surprised M3 & LB graced this thread with their presence, you should consider yourself lucky but you don't give a f**k..19 and know it all, you're a joke. I'm gonna lmao when you're back on here asking for advice to fix your ED..

[Jesusbrah]

I'm surprised M3 & LB graced this thread with their presence, you should consider yourself lucky but you don't give a f**k..19 and know it all, you're a joke. I'm gonna lmao when you're back on here asking for advice to fix your ED..

Who the **** do you think you are? Your mom didnt teach you how to talk to people very good.

Theres a reason i posted this on the forum. Its because i want to learn from others, but it seems you guys have some kind of "witch-hunt" for younger guys who want to use.

Already said i agree, its not a good idea. But instead of calling me a "joke", you could give me your valid input.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Who the **** do you think you are? Your mom didnt teach you how to talk to people very good. Theres a reason i posted this on the forum. Its because i want to learn from others, but it seems you guys have some kind of "witch-hunt" for younger guys who want to use. Already said i agree, its not a good idea. But instead of calling me a "joke", you could give me your valid input.

You say you want to learn from others...
Well you are too young.
If you are going to use anyway...
Don't do tren on your second cycle.

You say you gained 10kgs with your first test only cycle.
Why wouldn't you just use test only again?

[reporich]

He agrees with whats been said BUT, he's going to do it anyway.....

[lovbyts]

Nothing to see here.

[tdoe11]

:grabbing popcorn: