Why am I so tired with this cycle?

**PistolPete33** · 12-07-2014, 11:02 AM

I'm on week 4 of Test C 600mg/week and Deca 400mg week along with 2iu's of Pharm grade HGH 5 days on 2 days off. (I've been on the HGH for about 2.5 months now) I just started taking 50mg/T-Bol on Monday but for the past week or so I've been so tired. I just can't stay awake. Yesterday I took 2 naps and I've been sleeping pretty good at night. Right now I'm exhausted and struggling to stay awake. Not sure whats going on and if there is anything that would trigger this?

Thanks in advance

**tectime** · 12-07-2014, 11:10 AM

Hey man what's your ai protocol? When did you do bloods last? What was estrogen numbers?

**PistolPete33** · 12-07-2014, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

Hey man what's your ai protocol? When did you do bloods last? What was estrogen numbers?

I'm running Anastrozole Mon/Wed/Fri at .75mg each day. I convert a lot to E2 which is why I'm taking a higher dose than most. I'm running bloods in 2 weeks but may bump it to this week if I still feel this tired. Are you thinking my E2 is too low which is why I'm so tired? It's def. possible. However, when my E2 is low I usually have joint pain but that could be masked by the Deca .

**tectime** · 12-07-2014, 11:23 AM

I'm thinking high on the estrogen ! I'm running 400tes 300 deca right now, I mg anastrozole a day and had bloods drawn last week. My estrogen is at 24. Perfect for me. Bloods will tell you but I wouldn't change anything up till you do bloods or you won't have an accurate representation of your cycle.

**razman** · 12-07-2014, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

I'm running Anastrozole Mon/Wed/Fri at .75mg each day. I convert a lot to E2 which is why I'm taking a higher dose than most. I'm running bloods in 2 weeks but may bump it to this week if I still feel this tired. Are you thinking my E2 is too low which is why I'm so tired? It's def. possible. However, when my E2 is low I usually have joint pain but that could be masked by the Deca.

Have you run 0.75mg EOD A-dex before or is this the first time you're experimenting with a relatively high dose?

**kelkel** · 12-07-2014, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

I wouldn't change anything up till you do bloods or you won't have an accurate representation of your cycle.

This ^^

**PistolPete33** · 12-07-2014, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by razman

Have you run 0.75mg EOD A-dex before or is this the first time you're experimenting with a relatively high dose?

Yes, I always run this high because my body converts E2 high. I'm also on TRT and I run .5mg Monday and Thursday at only 200mg and that keeps my E2 perfect

**PistolPete33** · 12-07-2014, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

I'm thinking high on the estrogen ! I'm running 400tes 300 deca right now, I mg anastrozole a day and had bloods drawn last week. My estrogen is at 24. Perfect for me. Bloods will tell you but I wouldn't change anything up till you do bloods or you won't have an accurate representation of your cycle.

I'm going to have bloods drawn next Tuesday and I will keep things the same to see exactly what's going on. Thanks.

**tectime** · 12-07-2014, 12:07 PM

Right on man. Getting estrogen number dialed in is so important. The more accurate the information the better. I always write my exact protocol on the back of one of the sheets from the blood test just so that I can always come back through and see exactly what I was doing at that time. For the cost of blood work to the results you can achieve, not just in gains, but in quality of life (being all swelled up isn't worth a shit if your too tired to even enjoy the benifitd. Hsha!

**tectime** · 12-07-2014, 12:08 PM

Benefits ! Stinkin phone typing!

**PistolPete33** · 12-07-2014, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

Right on man. Getting estrogen number dialed in is so important. The more accurate the information the better. I always write my exact protocol on the back of one of the sheets from the blood test just so that I can always come back through and see exactly what I was doing at that time. For the cost of blood work to the results you can achieve, not just in gains, but in quality of life (being all swelled up isn't worth a shit if your too tired to even enjoy the benifitd. Hsha!

I couldn't agree more. Plus, without the bloodwork all we can do is guess at what's truly going on. I can see where my numbers come in and if they are not high enough I can simply add more gear or add Anastrozole to the mix if E2 is too high etc. I will never run a cycle without running bloodwork again. It's so inexpensive and pays dividends at the end of the day.

**tectime** · 12-07-2014, 12:26 PM

Right the most versatile tool we have to utilize man. It's like the hammer that starts the whole process and then that little bitty screwdriver that fine-tunes everything.

**marcus300** · 12-07-2014, 01:00 PM

Get your RBC levels checked,

**< <Samson> >** · 12-07-2014, 01:18 PM

Hmmmm, I'd say do a full BW panel - e2, usual test & CBC

**PistolPete33** · 12-07-2014, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Get your RBC levels checked,

I was thinking of donating this week because I'm actually overdue.

**PistolPete33** · 12-07-2014, 02:06 PM

The other missing link that i just thought about which I'm pretty sure is why I'm so tired this week. I actually quit drinking Soda completely this week so I'm not getting the caffine jolts that I'm used to. I drink a TON of soda and have for years. It's my only vice as I don't drink alcohol or do any drugs and I eat mostly always clean except for Soda. I'm done with that crap though so I'm sure that's a major factor as to why I'm so tired all of a sudden. Still getting bloods drawn next week though.

**< <Samson> >** · 12-07-2014, 03:10 PM

Why not just take a caffeine pill? I drink soda maybe once or twice a month. But, take in close to a g in caffeine per day < yeah, I know. Without it I feel like udder death after coming clean.