2nd Cycle Test/Tren/Masteron? Need Help

**Gains_Rep** · 12-13-2014, 12:32 PM

I'm 28, 220lbs and about 14-16% BF at the moment. My training regiment is 6 days a week, single muscle groups, no cardio really. I may hop on the stepper once or twice a week after my workout but I need to get that on point. Haven't been dieting much but on cycle I will.

First cycle was Test 500mg ew for 12 weeks. At week 4 I started EQ at 400mg ew until week 10. Didn't add much of an AI in, I was holding a lot of water from the Test no doubt so I took a lowish dose of adex at some point and kept that rolling into PCT. For PCT I ran nolvadex and a small dose of ostarine.

I gained a solid 15lbs and maybe 1% bodyfat if even that so I would say it was a successful full cycle since it was a relatively mediocre dose.

Been off for about 8-9 weeks and I want to hop onto something new very soon. I'll be completely honest I'm going to be traveling a bit in February and I want to look ridiculous. Here's what I was thinking.

Test: 500mg EW for 12 weeks
Tren : 350mg EW for 6 weeks
Masteron ?: (need to research good dosage) starting week 6 for 4 weeks? Longer?
Test only for last 2 weeks. May try a taper/stasis PCT after that.

I plan to have adex on hand and I've heard good things about Caber while on tren. Like I said I'm going to be doing some traveling (with the gf) and Id rather not be shut down if it's an option

If anyone has any advice it would be extremely appreciated. I'd say I have an above average knowledge on the subject but I need some expert opinions!

Thanks, happy to be here

**itsjayman02** · 12-13-2014, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gains_Rep

I'm 28, 220lbs and about 14-16% BF at the moment. My training regiment is 6 days a week, single muscle groups, no cardio really. I may hop on the stepper once or twice a week after my workout but I need to get that on point. Haven't been dieting much but on cycle I will.

First cycle was Test 500mg ew for 12 weeks. At week 4 I started EQ at 400mg ew until week 10. Didn't add much of an AI in, I was holding a lot of water from the Test no doubt so I took a lowish dose of adex at some point and kept that rolling into PCT. For PCT I ran nolvadex and a small dose of ostarine.

I gained a solid 15lbs and maybe 1% bodyfat if even that so I would say it was a successful full cycle since it was a relatively mediocre dose.

Been off for about 8-9 weeks and I want to hop onto something new very soon. I'll be completely honest I'm going to be traveling a bit in February and I want to look ridiculous. Here's what I was thinking.

Test: 500mg EW for 12 weeks
Tren : 350mg EW for 6 weeks
Masteron ?: (need to research good dosage) starting week 6 for 4 weeks? Longer?
Test only for last 2 weeks. May try a taper/stasis PCT after that.

I plan to have adex on hand and I've heard good things about Caber while on tren. Like I said I'm going to be doing some traveling (with the gf) and Id rather not be shut down if it's an option

If anyone has any advice it would be extremely appreciated. I'd say I have an above average knowledge on the subject but I need some expert opinions!

Thanks, happy to be here

Your not ready or need a harsh compond like tren!!

You dont need to add multiple compounds.

Ai is for on cycle as is hcg ....not on hand

Your diet and cardio will give you the desired results

Nolva and clomid 2 weeks after last pin.

**Gains_Rep** · 12-13-2014, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by itsjayman02

Your not ready or need a harsh compond like tren!! You dont need to add multiple compounds. Ai is for on cycle as is hcg....not on hand Your diet and cardio will give you the desired results Nolva and clomid 2 weeks after last pin.

All do respect, it's not a very large dose and I experiences absolutely no sides with my last cycle.

I understand tren is the real deal, but I'm going to do it regardless. I just wanted some advice on the best way to build this cycle.

My goal is to keep my weight between 210-220 but tighten up to about 7-8% bf, and much much harder.

EQ didn't give me the vascularity or hardness I was looking for exactly. Test only will add some lbs but it doesn't really react with me in any cutting sense, I hold a lot of water which is normal I know but not what I want.

The reason I'm running it with tren is just as a base.

**ojm3** · 12-13-2014, 05:10 PM

Just add 1 different compound this cycle and see how you react. If you come up with some vicious sides you wont be able to tell if its from the Tren or Mast.

**NACH3** · 12-13-2014, 05:20 PM

AI Will def help with bloat and just adjust as needed... I prefer Stane over A-dex, IMHO. Good luck!

**Gains_Rep** · 12-13-2014, 07:02 PM

Thanks guys. The reason I wanted to run masteron was to avoid running tren too long but keeping a similar effect going.

Adex worked great for me, I heard stane completely shuts estrogen down rather than just regulating it.

Thanks for the help.

Anyone tried Caber with Tren? Does it offset being shut down?

**Buster Brown** · 12-13-2014, 10:13 PM

I would stay with another tes only cycle ...... Kickstart it if you like but that's it. Mast will be a waste for you at that bf and you really aren't ready for tren yet.

**Gains_Rep** · 12-14-2014, 11:45 AM

My first cycle wasn't Test only, it was Test/EQ

What makes someone "ready" for tren ?

**NACH3** · 12-14-2014, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gains_Rep

Thanks guys. The reason I wanted to run masteron was to avoid running tren too long but keeping a similar effect going.

Adex worked great for me, I heard stane completely shuts estrogen down rather than just regulating it.

Thanks for the help.

Anyone tried Caber with Tren? Does it offset being shut down?

The difference between Stane & A-dex is that:
1. Stane acts like a kamakazi fighter jet breaking up the aromatized enzyme leaving that enzyme unable to reattach itself...whereas a-dex will break up the aromatized enzyme but the estrogenic enzyme that has been broken up will reattach itself time and time again!

2. If running Tren(which after one cycle IMHO I wouldn't run it) ut is 500X stronger than test! But if u insist def have Caber or Prami on hand for handling Progesterone sides(Tren can make men lactate) among many other sides...

After a few test only cycles start with a Test/Deca cycle... Then you will know it's the other compound you added and not the test. IMHO I don't think your ready for a compound like Tren!

Good luck my man

**HawaiiLifr** · 12-14-2014, 04:21 PM

Running adex at .5 eod is probably not overkill at those Tren /Test levels. If you don't keep your estrogen levels in check you won't last even 6 weeks with Tren. If it were me I'd lower the Test precisely for that reason. At 350MG of Tren you're essentially taking the equivalent of close to 2g. of Test per week. Lower the Test, focus on the Tren- run it for 8 weeks instead of 6. Run Mast at whatever levels you want. Say 100MG eod. Might as well run it concurrently all the way through. It will help with libido and not compound your estrogen levels.

Take .5 caber 2x week. And Adex at LEAST .25 EOD. Probably .5 eod depending on how you aromatize.

**itsjayman02** · 12-15-2014, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Gains_Rep

All do respect, it's not a very large dose and I experiences absolutely no sides with my last cycle.

I understand tren is the real deal, but I'm going to do it regardless. I just wanted some advice on the best way to build this cycle.

My goal is to keep my weight between 210-220 but tighten up to about 7-8% bf, and much much harder.

EQ didn't give me the vascularity or hardness I was looking for exactly. Test only will add some lbs but it doesn't really react with me in any cutting sense, I hold a lot of water which is normal I know but not what I want.

The reason I'm running it with tren is just as a base.

Good luck !!

**BeingSwole** · 12-15-2014, 03:52 AM

At 15-16% BF you shouldn't be able to see much vascularity. Also your expectations for tren to bring you down all the way to 7% is unrealistic, very unrealistic.

One thing I've learned about Aas is that you need a solid foundation of training and eating clean, and if you're at 15% I don't think you have that yet.

As far as Ai goes, I personally use aromasin . It works great for me at 25mg every day. I wanted to follow the Test only cycle for my first cycle and in the beginning I did it, while throwing in Dbol for 3.5 weeks to kickstart. Saw that my source had Alpha Pharma tren available and I jumped on it. I'm 37 and this is my first cycle but I had gainz well for this and I took a chance, but my luck may not be your luck. I have every single preventative measure on hand.

It's common place for users to be told that you're not ready yet, and I think I agree with them here in saying that you're not ready yet after hearing that you're at 15% BF. You're looking for a magic pill since you think it will get you down to 7%. You sound like you don't want to do the work.

**ojm3** · 12-15-2014, 07:56 AM

Cause Trent is serious shit bro! Stronger than test but less aromatization into estrogen. But has a factor that increases prolactin. Prolactin can cause a man to lactate breast milk. They say you're not ready because it's a huge step Tren is a different world of sauce and a different world of sides. You're actually going to need more than just an AI you will need a dopamine antagonist amongst other things.

**Gains_Rep** · 12-16-2014, 06:20 PM

Duly noted. Just did a check this weekend (hand test/biomass scale and took the average) Im at 11.6% BF.

Trust me, I do the work, when I dieted with no gear I was around 8-9% so I have no doubt I could get there. I would like to get there without losing any muscle Nd also Id like the hardness and vascularity.

I'm going to be taking the advice and not running Tren yet. I don't feel like dealing with the sides especially with how busy I am now that I can't just take a day and run to the doctor for tests if I need to. Also not having too many ancillaries on hand.

As far as running something else to burn fat I was thinking of the following. EDIT: I ran VAR once at 50mg ED for about 8 weeks. Got medium/good results with it but wasn't dieting as hard as I normally would during a cut. What about this:

Test 600mg/week - 12 weeks
Masteron - (any recommended dose/length?)
VAR - 60mg/day - week 2-10 - 80mg/day last 2
Clen (possibly towards the end 2 week on/2 off

Adex during
Cycle support during
Nolvadex / Nat. Test booster PCT

Any recommendations? I know Masteron has a slight fat burning/hardening effect and it's not too harsh. Also, I know Test is a different animal but I never once had even a slight problem with aromatising.

Thanks guys!