First Cycle, done quite a bit of research but...

[Oros420]

This is gonna be a longish post, I'm gonna put up as much info as I can on my current status and see what advice I can get.. If you dont have time to read a few paragraphs or your response will be research the forums thanks for your help anyway.. I've been researching a lot and I dont know anyone who uses steroids for advice.. Some great info on youtube and these forums but I'm looking for advice on my current situation. I know Diet and how hard you work plays a big part.

I'm 26, 6 foot 1 270 lbs, currently cleaning up my eating habbits) and trying to trim off this beer gut.. I've always been active guy, outdoors-men, dabbled in sports as a teen, started working hard labor jobs at 15 (summer job offloading shrimp boats). Worked in the plant 4 seasons and flat roofed for a few years with other labor/bouncer jobs mixed in.. I'm fairly strong still but I'm pretty out of shape after being laid up a couple times from injuries and the daddy life tied me down. Trying to cut some weight naturally then I'm going to run some clen(taurine/potassium as well) and T3 and try to get 20-30 lbs pounds off(5lbs gone).

Aside from the clen and pct everything I plan to use will be Teragon labs products so any info on their quality would be great, all the reviews look good anyway. I was looking at a 12 week cycle to start off and perhaps extend it to 16 weeks if I felt up to it after 12. I was looking at T-350 witch is 5 esters of test 350mg/ml. I know ppl will say stick to a single ester to start with but I'm on a budget and $/mg ratio is in favor of T-350.. 115 mg evry 3 days of test. Go big or go home right?? Dbol and Tren 50 mg's of each per day for 6 weeks then switch to deca 500mg/week for 6 weeks. Am I crazy? I know about hte possible side effects of tren and will start it slow at say 20 mg's for 2 days then 35 for a day then 50. I might run the dbol an extra 2 weeks into the deca cycle. I'm looking to add mass after I loose the flabby mass I have on my gut.

Whats your thoughts on that cycle? I know it might be a little extreme for a newb but I dont half ass anything. Its no bostin loyd cycle.. Anti estrogen? what brand and how much? I was thinking about the deca after the tren/dbol because it would help rejuvenate my joints to push hard for the whole 12 weeks. Should I run stack something else with the deca? not interested in gh or peptides at this point I just want to be able to take my shirt off and feel good about my body rather then the embarrassed slouch I currently sport.

I know a good pct is key in any cycle. How much HCG should i buy? and how should it be dosed? what type of anti estrogen dose as well??

I know the risks and I'm going to take steroids, theres no talking me out of it.. Asking for advice to do this as safe as possible. I dont want to start with a super low dose basic test/dbol run but I dont want to go to far ether. From my research the doses i mention are about moderate?? any knowledgeable advice would be extremely appreciated!!!

[lovbyts]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[dodgeman99]

ameridex or letrozole eod .5 mg reduce estrogen sides also look into cabergoline when using tren or deca

[marcus300]

You don't need tren or deca or anything else except test for your first cycle, I would get your bf under 14-15% before cycling and diet down without the aid of any drugs do it via cardio then cardio and diet then adjust when you hit a wall but don't take anything until you have used everything in your arsenal. This is the best way and remember test only, only when your ready. Please read the above link to first cycles.

[Buster Brown]

All solid advice! !!!!"

[Oros420]

I'm willing to put in work before I do any gear for sure!! I know I cant just jump on gear and get a body like u guys have in those pics. I also know that u guys worked your ass's off to get there even with gear. With the addition of Cabergoline to tren and deca cycles and getting back into better shape firsts how dose that stack look to someone with more experience? I'm just a couple months of work away from being back into as good of shape as i ever was, maybe less with t3 and clen depending how i respond to those . I do believe i suffer from low test, id get tested but the hospital here is extremely understaffed and seeing someone is near impossible then with both my little girls having chronic health issues and its horrible, we travel back to St Johns to a real hospital next month with the kids so I'll try and get my test levels checked while I'm there..

[marcus300]

I'm willing to put in work before I do any gear for sure!! I know I cant just jump on gear and get a body like u guys have in those pics. I also know that u guys worked your ass's off to get there even with gear. With the addition of Cabergoline to tren and deca cycles and getting back into better shape firsts how dose that stack look to someone with more experience? I'm just a couple months of work away from being back into as good of shape as i ever was, maybe less with t3 and clen depending how i respond to those . I do believe i suffer from low test, id get tested but the hospital here is extremely understaffed and seeing someone is near impossible then with both my little girls having chronic health issues and its horrible, we travel back to St Johns to a real hospital next month with the kids so I'll try and get my test levels checked while I'm there..

You haven't got more experience though its your first cycle and you need to stay away from deca and tren. Just read the link posted all your info is in there but make sure you drop your bf down before cycling to under 15%

[lovbyts]

By more experience using test, deca and tren would be someone who has trained for years, done multiple cycle, would know more than enough and not even have to ask for advice on the cycle and either training for an up coming bodybuilder competition or at least looking like he is.

If you want to learn how to drive a race car you dont start by driving at the Indy 500.

[Oros420]

So just Test and an anti estrogen for the first cycle? How high should i go with test weekly? I was thinking about 350 mgs a week but read about people doing a lot more.. is 350 suitable? I really appreciate the help! I'm just trying to figure out the best way to go about this as i would like to get swollen over the next couple years. Always wanted to get ripped but there was always something in the way be it booze, pain killers, or just plain laziness

[Oros420]

I always considered myself to be fairly in shape, always carried some extra body fat but my endurance and strength were always high.. I havnt spent a lot of time in the gym but At the plant I'd move 60-80 000 lbs (avrage guy would do 20-40 000) of product by hand in 12 hours while shoveling ice for a couple hours.. I chose labor because u get paid to work out!! I wasnt focusing body parts and watching my diet but I have been pushing my self to the limit for years and under the extra weight I'd like to think I'm still a very able bodied guy. My goal at this point would be to do my first real cycle in the fall. Run clen and t3 over this winter and spring and work cardio to get trim. Work my ass off all summer on test to get my body and joints in better shape then i ever was and try a bulk cycle in fall.. I agree i may have been a little to excited in the first post but does this sound reasonable?

[lovbyts]

Yes some people do a LOT more just like some race car drivers go a lot faster. Again a big part of this is experience. Also more is not necessarily better, especially starting out. More will mean high E2 (thats a bad thing) and many other undesirable side effect. It's best to start slow and find out how your body will respond to each product even test so you know what to expect and how to combat any sides.

Did you read the 1st cycle link I posted? Personally I think 300 - 400mg per week is plenty for starting out and someone with a good base, solid diet and training will have impressive gains.

[RigPig]

I don't want to be a dick but 6'1" 270??? You have a long way to go with diet and cardio until you get to the point where AAS should come in. But if you're ok with your "beer gut" being replaced by lactating bitch tits then have at er man.
I can't imagine what I'd look like with another 70lbs (of fat) on me (I'm 6'1" 200 ish). You consider yourself to have "a beer gut". I'd humbly say that's most likely an understatement.
Wait until you get your Eating habit cleaned up, Get down to 200 then add something in the mix.

[RigPig]

You from the rock? NFLD?

[Oros420]

I did read it and instantly started to come back down to earth lol, I'm gonna read it another time or 2 because it is a lot of info. Great guide, looks like a great forum as well!! I do need more experience I know. I have been researching how I should be working out as much as diet and gear.. I understand a lot more then some gear and high hopes goes into this

[lovbyts]

I don't want to be a dick but 6'1" 270??? You have a long way to go with diet and cardio until you get to the point where AAS should come in. But if you're ok with your "beer gut" being replaced by lactating bitch tits then have at er man.
I can't imagine what I'd look like with another 70lbs (of fat) on me (I'm 6'1" 200 ish). You consider yourself to have "a beer gut". I'd humbly say that's most likely an understatement.
Wait until you get your Eating habit cleaned up, Get down to 200 then add something in the mix.

^^^ I have to agree with the above statement. I may be reading to much into things (your user name Oros420) but I'm guessing you may have some other things going on in your life besides a beer gut that is an anti motivator and probably wont lead to a healthy lifestyle and diet.

[Oros420]

Lol I do have a good base, I'm extremely dense, I dont have soft flabby fat. I can still see detail in my arms and legs when I flex. No one believes I'm 270.. My friend is 280 and you'd guess he was 50 lbs heavier then me.. But what ever man, be a snob if u like. I'm just politely looking for advice on how to better my body..

[Oros420]

Like roids pot has different effects on different people, i worked hard labor my whole life and was always the hardest working guy on the job. i was also always high.. I work harder when im high.. It dont make me lazy or take my motivation

[lovbyts]

The responses and advice are based off of general experiences. Yes everyone is different and there are a few who carry heavier weight better than most but we have to go from what is most common of course. If you want post up a picture so we can better judge what would be appropriate for you, your body type. You can block out your face of course.

No need to go into any details about the 420, any recreation drug talk is discouraged here.

[RigPig]

I'm seriously not trying to be a dick whatsoever. It's merely my humble opinion that you need to drop body weight waaaayyyyy down before cycling.
BUT, If you are serious about doing it properly I do not have to tell you. Your research will lead you to the statement I just made and enforce what I said.

There is a big difference between TRT and BB'ing.
Low test doesn't mean you need to jump on Tren, deca or test @ 500/wk.

[GAINZ4DAYZ]

Lots of stickies for new guys to read. My advice would be to get a solid diet going along with a workout plan you can commit to. Once the bf% drops I would start with a test only cycle to see how your body reacts. There are LOTS of useful threads here, just utilize the search tool whenever you have a question. If you can't find the answer there are plenty of experienced people with tons of knowledge to give solid advice. Good luck!

[loglift#1]

Hahahahahah

[RigPig]

I still out lift you even if I can't get a supply hahaha

Nobody said you can't. We said edit your post .

[lovbyts]

Nobody said you can't. We said edit your post .

I dont think we have to worry about him anymore.

[ojm3]

Hit the diet and nutrition man. Diet is key along with cardiovascular for weight loss. Put that diet in check for a few months you'll be surprised at what your body will do with proper nutrition

[Oros420]

Yeah, my diet has gotten a lot better and all the junk is out. I'm not as active as I like to be right now because -30c isnt jogging weather and jan/feb -40 - -50 is commen. Snowshoeing and hunting/trapping is good cardio then i need to cut the firewood for my grandparents(need a lot of wood for year round heat up here). Buying more home equipment when we get the basement renovated(a month maybe) I'm very appreciative for the positive comments and I know what the avrage guy looks like at 6'1 270(266 this morning) I'm solidly built and dense so I dont know if that will be harder to get rid or if it will work in my fav but bottom line is im gonna work. Pot use is pretty much just when I razz the guitar. Thanks for the help!!!