First Cycle Help & Advice

[stripes1990]

Hey guys,

So I read a lot on this forum and I just need some advice on running my first cycle. From reading and hearing what certain drugs do I am pretty set on running anavar and test e.

Week 1-12 Test E 500mg per week (spread across 2 shots, Monday & Thursday)
Week 1-8 Anavar 60mg ED

Week 1-12 Arimidex EOD 0.25mg (adjusting accordingly through out the cycle)
Week 1-12 500ui Hcg (spread across 2 shots Tuesday and Friday) I'm may switch to one shot, I'll see how I take to the bi weekly shots first.

PCT…

Week 15-19 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Week 15-19 Nolva 20/20/20/20

My questions are:
1. Arimidex or Aromasin?
2. For the PCT should I run both Clomid and Nolva? Is that too much?
3. The HCG, is that a necessity?
4. What size needle and gauge should I be using?
5. I know Anavar is expensive to produce which makes it expensive to buy. Does 20mg per tablet and a bottle of 50 tabs for a buck twenty sound about right?
6. Does anyone have solid info on Teragon Labs?
7. I want the benefits of Anavar is there a similar injectable? I ask because of I would like the least amount of stress on my liver as possible?

My stats:
24 years old
6 foot 6
235 lbs.
15%bf
Healthy

Thank you for all the help!!

[Honkey_Kong]

I think they're going to tell you to edit the price talk out of your post.

As far as your first cycle goes, why throw the anavar in it? Trust me, you're going to be satisfied with your gains from a test-only cycle. Your cycles afterwards you might want to throw other stuff in it.

You don't want to take a bunch of drugs all at once without any experience. You don't know exactly how your body is going to react to them. It's easier to deduce the cause when you slowly add compounds in future cycles than it is if you take them all at once. Besides, you're going to have some pretty good gains this first cycle.

I personally don't like anavar and think there are better options out there.

But are your goals from this cycle and well in this year too? It's easier to figure out a plan of what to do when you know where you want to go.

[lovbyts]

Arimedex vs Aromasin = personal preference. Some people like one better than the other.

Clomid and Nolvadex = yes. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ml#post6666415

Do you need to run HCG = yes if you want to keep your balls working properly and help recover quicker. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

What size needle and injection. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...s-answers.html

Anavar is not injectable, it's an oral. Most of the anavar out there is fake, it's switched with Dbol or Tbol most of the time because they are cheaper and most people wont know the difference up front.

More good 1st cycle info here.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[thephoenix25]

1) personal choice, I prefer Arimidex
2) Yes run both
3) Yes, help recovery and helps reduce testicular atrophy
4) 24-28 gauge to inject and 18-22 to draw from vial. (again personal preference)
5) No price discussions (rules)
6) Don't know
7) Better to stick to test only for the first cycle, you'll love the results, no need for multiple compounds in your first cycle.

[Buster Brown]

I would split up your hcg shots to the recommended two times a week. Its really a painless shot.

[stripes1990]

I think they're going to tell you to edit the price talk out of your post.

As far as your first cycle goes, why throw the anavar in it? Trust me, you're going to be satisfied with your gains from a test-only cycle. Your cycles afterwards you might want to throw other stuff in it.

You don't want to take a bunch of drugs all at once without any experience. You don't know exactly how your body is going to react to them. It's easier to deduce the cause when you slowly add compounds in future cycles than it is if you take them all at once. Besides, you're going to have some pretty good gains this first cycle.

I personally don't like anavar and think there are better options out there.

But are your goals from this cycle and well in this year too? It's easier to figure out a plan of what to do when you know where you want to go.

Out of curiosity what is a better option than anavar?

[chris_columbia]

Out of curiosity what is a better option than anavar?

Masteron or NPP

[lovbyts]

1st cycle stick with test only. More is not better.

[Motardpdx]

Everything I have read and learned on this forum is #1 Test only for first cycle. Otherwise, you'll have no baseline regarding how your body responds to a cycle, plus it's the building block for all other future cycles. Cheers!

[Honkey_Kong]

Out of curiosity what is a better option than anavar?

It really depends on what you're trying to use it for. But yeah, primo/masteron could be a better substitute in some ways.

What exactly is your current goal that you're trying to achieve from your first cycle?

[stripes1990]

It really depends on what you're trying to use it for. But yeah, primo/masteron could be a better substitute in some ways.

What exactly is your current goal that you're trying to achieve from your first cycle?

Well to be honest I am trying to go for a lean muscle mass. I don't want to blow up and not be able to wipe my ass. LOL. Ans that is the reason I heard anavar is the number 1 i have also read on primo but didn't know it was better.

Also i have just picked up the good this evening. So i have everything I need to begin. However I was told not to get the HCG and only have it if I notice stuff. (Thoughts on that?)

Secondly I was also told about the pin in the ass and shoulder and told to rotate between that every third day. Is there truth to that if so what are everyones thoughts?

Thanks again guys!!!

[thephoenix25]

I don't want to blow up and not be able to wipe my ass. LOL.

This doesn't happen. Your shape and size is determined by your diet and hard work. You don't get huge by accident even with steroids, those that are huge deliberately worked their ass off and did many cycles to get that way.

You can cycle without HCG, but it is strongly recommended to use it during your cycle. You will appreciate it during your PCT and recovery.

Yes, you should rotate your injection sites to prevent scar tissue building up. 7 or more days between injections in the same site is the norm.

[stripes1990]

^ ok so its best to have it then. ill grab it and use that in the cycle. also where is that being injected? shoulder also?

[thephoenix25]

Subcutaneous injection. In a small insulin syringe with a short needle into your belly fat around your navel. There are lots of videos on youtube showing how and where to do this injection. It's quick and painless. Make sure you get Bacteriostatic water to reconstitute your HCG up with. I had trouble finding bac water, it should be 0.9% Sodium Chloride injection water.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

[stripes1990]

Subcutaneous injection. In a small insulin syringe with a short needle into your belly fat around your navel. There are lots of videos on youtube showing how and where to do this injection. It's quick and painless. Make sure you get Bacteriostatic water to reconstitute your HCG up with. I had trouble finding bac water, it should be 0.9% Sodium Chloride injection water.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

your the best thanks buddy!

[ojm3]

Good luck let us know how it goes!

[Honkey_Kong]

Subcutaneous injection. In a small insulin syringe with a short needle into your belly fat around your navel. There are lots of videos on youtube showing how and where to do this injection. It's quick and painless. Make sure you get Bacteriostatic water to reconstitute your HCG up with. I had trouble finding bac water, it should be 0.9% Sodium Chloride injection water.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

I believe one of the site sponsors sells bac water. But you can make it yourself if you don't have access to it.

[stripes1990]

Good luck let us know how it goes!

thanks I definitely will!!

I believe one of the site sponsors sells bac water. But you can make it yourself if you don't have access to it.

awesome. how would you make it?

ALSOOO


I got the Arimidex and the pill is 1mg so i originally had it at 0.25mg EOD.

How would i do this with a 1mg capsule? Can i take it once every 5 days or so would that work?

[thephoenix25]

thanks I definitely will!!



awesome. how would you make it?

ALSOOO


I got the Arimidex and the pill is 1mg so i originally had it at 0.25mg EOD.

How would i do this with a 1mg capsule? Can i take it once every 5 days or so would that work?

Empty the capsule and split the powder into 4 (see pic)

[thephoenix25]

awesome. how would you make it?

mix 0.9ml Sodium Chloride with 9.1ml sterile water to make 10ml of bac water

I was not confident enough to make my own though, I ended up finding bac water in a pharmacy in the end, 500ml for less than £1, but I live in Asia though.

[stripes1990]

mix 0.9ml Sodium Chloride with 9.1ml sterile water to make 10ml of bac water

I was not confident enough to make my own though, I ended up finding bac water in a pharmacy in the end, 500ml for less than £1, but I live in Asia though.

ya i think i might just ask my buddy that helped me out with all the shit I'm sure he can get it somewhere. For dividing the arimidex into 4 where can i store that powder for the days I'm not using it? do they sell empty capsules i can just transfer them too?

[thephoenix25]

where can i store that powder for the days I'm not using it? do they sell empty capsules i can just transfer them too?

In the picture you can see what I used. I found a plastic container with a removable lid. I empty the contents of the capsule into it and replace the lid when I want to store it in my cupboard. It keeps it "reasonably" contaminant free and the powder wont blow away or get damp.

[stripes1990]

In the picture you can see what I used. I found a plastic container with a removable lid. I empty the contents of the capsule into it and replace the lid when I want to store it in my cupboard. It keeps it "reasonably" contaminant free and the powder wont blow away or get damp.

Sounds good. Thanks for all the help! And assuming your on something like I will be taking what meal plan did you follow?

Also if I cannot get the HCG until a few weeks should I just start the cycle and start the hcg once im done just before the pct?
I got that idea from this video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZcuPIIvjM

[ojm3]

If its only a few weeks time why not just wait untill you have everything?

[thephoenix25]

If its only a few weeks time why not just wait untill you have everything?

This ^^
Wait till you have everything you need.

Sounds good. Thanks for all the help! And assuming your on something like I will be taking what meal plan did you follow?

My diet is probably not the best to model your own on because I digest protein pretty poorly. For this reason my protein intake is on the low end at 180-200 grams of protein per day. I ate ~3600 calories per day. I've never had any fat gain problems so I wasn't ultra clean with my diet (though I expect it was cleaner than the average man on the street). I simply focused on hitting my calorie and protein targets. I use myfitnesspal to track my calories and macros. If you don't already, weigh your food and log it with myfitnesspal (website and smartphone app), it makes it so much easier to see where your diet is going wrong and how to fix it. Hit the diet and nutrition forum for more info.

should I just start the cycle and start the hcg once im done just before the pct?
I got that idea from this video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZcuPIIvjM

This is a topic of much debate. I followed the teaching from this site and was pleased with the result. I had no noticeable testicular atrophy and had an easy time recovering during PCT. While I cannot comment with experience on other protocols, I would recommend 500iu p/w split into 2 shots per week.

[stripes1990]

ok fair enough. i will for sure wait for everything tot come in and then start. And I have been doing some reading but I would assume taking the hcg during the cycle is best? Who knows though!?

And another dumb question:
Between the anavar, test e, arimidex, protein, creatine, what time of day should i be taking all of these shots?

also I'm running clomid and nolva for my pct should I run one of those while on cycle?

[thephoenix25]

ok fair enough. i will for sure wait for everything tot come in and then start. And I have been doing some reading but I would assume taking the hcg during the cycle is best? Who knows though!?

Yes, hcg during cycle is best. Some of the members on here are doctors and specialists in these subjects, I tend to follow their advice.

And another dumb question:
Between the anavar, test e, arimidex, protein, creatine, what time of day should i be taking all of these shots?

also I'm running clomid and nolva for my pct should I run one of those while on cycle?

hcg same timing as your test e

You don't need anavar for your first cycle, it will only complicate things if you have problems. Keep the Anavar for your next cycle, it will store just fine in a cool dark place. Stick to testosterone for your first cycle.

Everything you need to know is in this thread. I've been visiting this forum for more than a year and still re-read this thread and get info. I'd suggest you follow its cycle to the letter and you wont be disappointed.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Motardpdx]

Same here^^^^^ This tread I have actually memorized and can't tell you how important it is to read this before any cycle, especially your first. Enjoy!

[stripes1990]

perfect thanks guys i appreciate it!

[stripes1990]

Boys if I don't have the HCG is it possible to take it once the test is done or? Should I still wait for the HCG before the cycle begins?

Has anyone done this? Is it possible?

Thanks for all the help as usual!

[almostgone]

mix 0.9ml Sodium Chloride with 9.1ml sterile water to make 10ml of bac water

I was not confident enough to make my own though, I ended up finding bac water in a pharmacy in the end, 500ml for less than £1, but I live in Asia though.

Actually, bacteriostatic water will generally contain benzyl alcohol. Isn't your recipe for sterile saline which is usually what comes with HCG for reconstitution?

BACTERIOSTATIC WATER for Injection, USP

However, there is a recipe for making bacteriostatic water in the lab.

http://forums.steroid.com/faq-recipe...tic-water.html

But again, most HCG I'm familiar with uses sodium chloride for reconstitution, not bacteriostatic water.

[stripes1990]

So guys I've been on for a week now and I took my first shot in my right glute and yesterday did my second shot in my left glute. This morning I woke up and it felt a bit tender to sit on. Is that normal? Or should I be concerned

[almostgone]

Some discomfort is normal.

[stripes1990]

Update. The soreness went away. Not to sure what it was. But it went away perhaps I will use the 1.5 inch needle.

[Chicagotarsier]

A point of reference.

The injection point on the glute is not on the band of muscle on the top of the glute

Find just below the band all the way to the outside upper quadrant. For me injecting into that band of muscle the more issues I have with pain. As long as I go below it I miss nerve cluster and veins.

Sounds like you just had normal soreness. Good luck on your journey.