First 19nor cycle...??

[NACH3]

Hey guys/gals,
I recently posted my cycle:
Wks 1-12 - prop @ 525mg wkly
Wks 1-10 - NPP. @ 400mg wkly
Wks 8-12 - winny(oral)50mg ed

hCG 250iu twice a wk

NAC - at least 600-1200mg ed

Stane - starting at 12.5mg ed - as my last cycle I took 25mg ed and felt the sides of the Stane(back pain etc) but post cycle felt like I was hit by a truck(It sounds/felt like I crashed my E2)! But on cycle had no signs of gyno related symptoms!

Caber - .25mg to start.... Here's where I have a ?... In austinites "how to manage Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone..." caber isn't sufficient on codeine; well I'm on Methadone(for chronic pain/need total joint replacement)... Been on and off of opiates since 17 when injuries occurred! This is where I'm most concerned... Estrogen & progesterone issues??

Also, I have cycled on opuates b4 and didn't have probs(that I noticed).

[clarky.]

Your cycle look fine. As for the caber most don't need it just make sure you control your E2 then you should not have any probs with prolactin.

[jolter604]

i am going to hit weeks 2-12 npp on a 15 week test e cycle next year cant wait,i am also going with stane and caber i was going to use winny to but i have that one up in the air.the cycle looks on point from what i have researched.i was going to pin m/tu/fr/ i was going to use the same dosing with my test and npp.I have read that this should give amazing results.as far as the opuates i have no info.

[NACH3]

Your cycle look fine. As for the caber most don't need it just make sure you control your E2 then you should not have any probs with prolactin.

I know as long as my E2 is in check I have nada to worry bout... But only during my last cycle(prop/primo/var 16 wks) and my Stane dose 25mg ed was a bit high I believe b/c I fidnt even use an AI with that cycle b4 and had less sides post cycle)... Off balance, low Energy, felt like doing nothing - like I was run over. That's why I was a lil worried... Don't want high or low E2 levels which then lead to a rise in Prolactin raising progesterone, right?

[NACH3]

i am going to hit weeks 2-12 npp on a 15 week test e cycle next year cant wait,i am also going with stane and caber i was going to use winny to but i have that one up in the air.the cycle looks on point from what i have researched.i was going to pin m/tu/fr/ i was going to use the same dosing with my test and npp.I have read that this should give amazing results.as far as the opuates i have no info.

Thanks... Yeah I'm back loading the Winny to have s leaner look at the end! I'm excited too! Have fun!

[Bio-Active]

Your cycle looks good you will love the npp. I wouldn't use the caber unless you need it but really at .25 mg 2xew you can't go wrong

[clarky.]

Well like you said just use 12.5 ed.

[Rida5d]

Your cycle look fine. As for the caber most don't need it just make sure you control your E2 then you should not have any probs with prolactin.

IMO, 19 Nors will elevate his prolactin that's for sure..
If his estradiol is within the range then he won't have any lactating problems.. Here I have to agree totally with you..

Having/supplementing with a DA as caber is essential IMO to combat any prolactin side effects which are not only related to milky tits but other problems like sex drive, ED etc.

[NACH3]

I did a half ass Tren cycle but couldn't handle the way it fvks with your head and obviously didn't run Caber... Ran Stane at 25mg a day and didnt have Prolactin sides(lactation... Did get Ed though... Not bad thank God)! But didn't have BW done so who knows what my Estrodial(I believe was a lil high) and Progesterone levels were.

I will def have Caber on hand but does anyone know how it would react w/Methadone(I know w/codeine it basically renders it useless(doesn't work)??

[Rida5d]

Op I really dunno if caber interacts with your meds , I was speaking in general.

[NACH3]

Well like you said just use 12.5 ed.

Makes sense... Lol thanks

[NACH3]

I'm on it for chronic pain and on a low dose(55mg)that I'm weening off as we speak! Besides my total joint replacement I flipped a car 6 times into a house landing in a comma for 2 months! Since then gear has helped in aiding in my recovery and let's me manipulate certain excersises I wouldn't normally be able to do!

I do know Methadone can cause Steroid excess Estrogen and cause Gyno related probs.... No sh*t... Lol Just like if someone didn't take an AI... I'm obviously not gyno prone!

[clarky.]

I can't find any interaction with caber and methadone.

Just grapfruit juice and methadone lol.

[NACH3]

I can't find any interaction with caber and methadone.

Just grapfruit juice and methadone lol.

lol... Me neither -I did many searches... Actually in rare cases people on Methadone(long term & high doses... Not me!) actually get prescribed Caber, in some cases... So, obviously Austinites reference to Codeine and its effects w/Caber are Different than w/Methadone("Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management and Gyno Reversal")!

Thanks... & much appreciated Clarky!

[clarky.]

lol... Me neither -I did many searches... Actually in rare cases people on Methadone(long term & high doses... Not me!) actually get prescribed Caber, in some cases... So, obviously Austinites reference to Codeine and its effects w/Caber are Different than w/Methadone("Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management and Gyno Reversal")!

Thanks... & much appreciated Clarky!

Your welcome