Sustanon + winstrol cycle

[gablgabl]

Hey guys i was gonna do a sust and winny cycle, but i wanna add something else there that will let me get shredded more, or gain a little bit of muscle mass while dieting if its possible. i was thinking boldenone with it.

in the past, i have been taking d-bol and deca in one cycle (i know, i should have taken test but there were no sides afterwards).

anyway any suggestions?

im 24, 98kg with around 15% bf

[Back In Black]

You want to get shredded or gain a little muscle. Which is is? Eat less for the first and more for the second.

What are your stats?

Age
Height
Weight
Body fat %
Cycle history

[gablgabl]

dont have much of a cycle history, just what i stated in the topic. deca and d bol in one cycle, winstrol on another when i was dieting, cant really call it a cycle.

[Back In Black]

And the answers to the others?

[NACH3]

dont have much of a cycle history, just what i stated in the topic. deca and d bol in one cycle, winstrol on another when i was dieting, cant really call it a cycle.

Have you gotten BW done to see if there was any damage done to your HPTA or your "loop"in general?? Obviously any of those weren't real cycles as you now know... I hope your right and have recovered fully... BIB is asking for your stats for important reasons... And to guide you per your request! Good luck and always run test as a base!!!

[gablgabl]

yeah, did all the tests and whatever, everything is fine, except a high level of urea, which is common with high protein intake

[Back In Black]

You don't want to give us stats? No worries but unless you do you'll likely not get any advice. Certainly none tailored to you specifically anyway.

[gablgabl]

You don't want to give us stats? No worries but unless you do you'll likely not get any advice. Certainly none tailored to you specifically anyway.

bro, i already added the stats in the topic, forgot to add them while postif. 15% bf, 98kg, 24 years. history of cycles only what i wrote in the topic

[iMVP]

That combo won't play a big part in getting you shredded unless your diet is tailored to do so by my understanding, they can be used for bulking and cutting alike. But like everyone else, let's assume your diet and training is 100% spot on, you'll get great results otherwise, you might end up looking 2x more soft and puffy with that sust/eq combo

Cycle length/dose and Ancillaries during and post cycle? It's hard to really give you any kind of info :/

[derekkpapa1]

winny is ok at lower bf% as a finishing product not at "around 15% bf" (whatever that means 12? 18? ??)
Test only cycle is what you should look into. Your first few cycles were failures and now you want to jump on three products. Good old diet and training WILL get you shredded when performed properly and you could use test for assistance but if everything else is not right it's useless.

[NACH3]

Agreed^^^ you'll be very disappointed if your bf% isn't sub 12% to see the effect of winny(hence good old diet and training will do the trick)... For optimum results with winny is if your at like 10% and use as a finisher(backload it etc)!

[gablgabl]

ok so, how about test sustanon and boldenone and then add winny in the final few weeks of diet?

[NACH3]

Don't have any experience with Boldenone ... But with what your tryin to do is look into test e and var(or Sust and var).. You can run anavar (but make sure it's real var & not just winny), and run the anavar for your last 6-8 wks as its a mild oral(still run NAC/milk thistle(a lot if you go with MT)... but more than likely you won't get any advice since you've never ran a real test only cycle first!

[derekkpapa1]

Lay out a sus and eq cycle and we can look it over.
Forget winny maybe anavar if you can get some real stuff
also some people respond well to eq others don't and think it's a waste, I personal won't bother again because length and amount you would have to run and there is better compounds other there.
Why do you feel you need to stack sound else?
Why not just run test with a oral kick starter?
If you can't get a basic test cycle work you need to review your training and diet.

[NACH3]

I've never used eq either but have heard exactly what Derrickkpapa states... Ya gotta run it for at least 16 wks to see its full effect if not longer which we don't recommend anything over 16 wks snd would rather see a standard 12 elect, etc! Get with Derrickkpapa and he'll steer you right where you need to be!