Unconventional NPP Cycle Libido Question:

[jaast3]

Those with no personal experience/data on high NPP/no test use, do not reply. I am not interested in your conjecture.



Background: I would like to get rid of my libido, and remain fertile. Would the 800mg/week of NPP with no test eliminate my libido (not just reduce, but eliminate)? This thread should not get hijacked by the topic of test in a cycle. I plan to keep some endogenous test with HCG etc. I DO NOT WANT THIS TO SIDE TRACK THE QUESTION AT HAND! I am looking for data, not proselytizing. I plan on changing this cycle after marriage, and add test. After marriage, I will be off of aas till my wife gets pregnant.



I will change the cycle based on data; this is a draft. I will get full blood work done before cycle, during, and at the tail end of PCT. I will be donating blood after three months (2?). I will be eating clean on a mild but nutritious CKD. I first will purchase PCT/gyno gear. Then I will purchase all other gear before starting the cycle.




Would 800mg/week of NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate), in the stack below,
eliminate libido? I want to use the least amount needed.




Draft Cycle for reference:


weeks 1-12
- Hcg ........... 300iu/twice a week (maintain fertility)
- Hmg .......... 25iu/twice a week (synergistic with hcg)
- Trenbolone Acetate 75-85mg/twice a week (help keep gains, minimize sides at this
lower dose; increase if tolerable?)
- NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate-Durabolin ) 400mg/twice a week
(eliminate libido; joints, good anabolism at this dose. Increase dose to 500mg/twice a week if libido is
not gone after 2 weeks?)
- 2mg? day of Telmisartin ................ (mild cardio help)
- GHRP? (not concurrently w/ DNP ?) (dose? appetite)




- AIs taken regularly depending on blood work (Exemestane/Aromasin ,
?->Diindolylmethane- DIM- ?), I am still determining dosages to take with lack of test in this stack to prevent gyno, and keep libido gone.
- I am still researching if I want to include Cialis for prostrate health; I will be also using
Saw Palmetto.
- because I read a report that Tren may harm or reduce white blood cells, I will be taking Astragalus.
- I am studying the IGF-1 issue, so I may take something for that.
- T3 taken regularly to help fat burning (I am not fat, just slightly more than in my youth, I
have always been fairly trim. I do not know my body fat percentage, but will research how to measure it accurately. I mainly want to reduce viceral fat, as I have developed a belly.) I am unsure of dosing at this time.
- DNP (dinitrophenol) also for reducing fat. 25-100mg?? twice a day. (use with dantrolene in
the summer to help with hyperthermia???). Concerns about cataracts (wondering about using with additional supplement to help prevent cataracts). I am considering the 25mg/day because of the sides. The main concerns I have are being less energetic, and especially the induced temporary "mental fuzziness". However, I normally take several things for my memory/brain so maybe it should not be too bad. I already take items including, coenzyme B-12, CDP choline, a racetam, huperizine A, and a mix of memory/brain herbs in pure bulk powder. I will drink more fluids, and take extra salt and potassium because of the need for increased electrolytes.
- I may take insulin (???) because DNP reduces insulin production. I also know bodybuilders use insulin, but have not researched as to why this is done. I have no idea on dosage at this time.
- HGH treats trensomnia?? Can I use this one day a week to get extra rest that day?? cost/benefit ratio concern.










Tail end of cycle/PCT/marriage


replace injectables with orals (short half lives, sort of a pre-PCT) (still determining dosages):
- Primobolan ................................... (stay anabolic while clearing esters)
- Masteron ................................... (same as primo above)
- Proviron (mesterolone ) .............. (libido, improve anabolism of other orals by binding to
SHBG)
- d-aspartic acid (DAA)?? ............ (mild help to test restart???)
- ai? ................................................ (estrogen rebound ???)




week 11-12 - orals tapered down to nothing by end of week 12 (day 4? of week 12 is
last day of any orals)
- Clomid/Tamoxifen /Toremifene: wed 7/2/10, thr 10/2/15, thur-sat 15/5/20
(concerns about vision, blood clots)
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- Triptorelin??? one injection only of 50mcg on day 6 of this week
do this earlier in the cycle????? I am considering taking this shot two weeks into the cycle instead. In this second case, I wonder if I need to reduce my HCG/HMG dose for a while??
week 13 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 15/5/20
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
week 14 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 10/2/15
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function




ai tapering after week 14 because of rebound??




other gear to have on hand for possible gyno: Letrozole , and/or others, SERMs (Raloxifene for reversing gynecomastia. 60mg - 80mg daily until gynecomastia is gone.)




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What I really want to know is if the NPP dose is effective to eliminate libido during cycle, not just reduce it. Would a smaller dose work?

I appreciate any info.

[derekkpapa1]

You are looking in the wrong place man maybe look at anti-depressants.
Or you can get marry to my wife she never wants to get down.

[Haydenz]

Im baffled.

You don't like your penis?

[NACH3]

I was really thinkin is this for real... Wants to be shutdown w/No libido - then have wife and kids... IDK...

[lovbyts]

Wow, this is just all over the place. You want to loose libido until after you are married but you may take cialis for prostate health?

If you accomplish knocking your libido in the dirt there is not guarantee you will get it back later by using test or anything at that point.

You will need to use HCG to keep your balls working properly but again with no test there is not guarantee it will work properly and may keep your libido up???

May I ask WHY you want to kill your libido?
Do you realize that if you do accomplish this it wont only be your libido but you will be unstable emotionally due to your hormones being out of whack.

This is just a bad plan all the way around.

[jaast3]

>>

May I ask WHY you want to kill your libido?
>>

Why am I doing this? I have a large amount of work to concentrate on; I am not the only one that says lack of a libido helps concentration. One recent example is Boston Loyd. I will focus like a laser.


I like the idea of cutting the control a woman has over me. I like a woman just fine. I also like control.

[Haydenz]

That is the dumbest answer I've read, and this thread is extremely retarted.

[jaast3]

SSRI's can cause permanent libido and erection problems. They also lower test. They also can increase prolactin. I am not trying to be a eunuch. If anyone reading this wants to be a eunuch, never use hcg on cycle, and then take a BIG dose of triptorelin.

not for me.

I like anabolism. SSRI's are not the friend of muscles.

[Back In Black]

So you're looking at 10 or 11 compounds plus ancillaries? You want to potentially permanently damage yourself so you can concentrate on work?

What is your cycle history?
Age?
Height?
Weight?
Bodyfat %?

[jaast3]

cialis can stop prostrate growth while on aas, did you know that?

[jaast3]

[QUOTE=Back In Black;6991559]So you're looking at 10 or 11 compounds plus ancillaries? You want to potentially permanently damage yourself so you can concentrate on work?

Did I say I WANT to damage myself? hmmm?

Let me ask you this. If someone does a 500mg to 1gram a week of NPP or DECA , plus test, ai and HCG on cycle, and then a PCT (which they do), how does the one addition of test keep away permanent damage?

[jaast3]

btw, no one mentioned that they have ANY experience with high nand, and no test, or any knowledge of related science or experience.

so....

[Back In Black]

[QUOTE=jaast3;6991566]

So you're looking at 10 or 11 compounds plus ancillaries? You want to potentially permanently damage yourself so you can concentrate on work?

Did I say I WANT to damage myself? hmmm?

Let me ask you this. If someone does a 500mg to 1gram a week of NPP or DECA, plus test, and uses HCG, and a PCT (which they do), how does the one addition of test keep away permanent damage?

No you didn't say want. I wasn't being literal like you seem to think I was. How about this, why would you take the risk of potentially permanently damaging yourself just for some extra work concentration?

The addition of test doesn't keep away permanent damage. You could run 250mg per week of test alone with the correct ancillaries and pct and still have permanant damage.

How about answers to my other questions

Age
Height
Weight
Bodyfat %
Cycle history

[Chicagotarsier]

Bottom line

If you are using that much gear....you should not care about recovery. It is your life not a current fad.

With that said Arnie did huge levels of steroids and still managed to knock up his maid in his 60s and did not have access to AI meds when he was doing Conan movies and before....

[Haydenz]

Bottom line

If you are using that much gear....you should not care about recovery. It is your life not a current fad.

With that said Arnie did huge levels of steroids and still managed to knock up his maid in his 60s and did not have access to AI meds when he was doing Conan movies and before....

I dont think in the 80's there were AAS that would shut you down that hard back then, also the purity of what was around in those days is completely different to now.

[NACH3]

[QUOTE=jaast3;6991566]

So you're looking at 10 or 11 compounds plus ancillaries? You want to potentially permanently damage yourself so you can concentrate on work?

Did I say I WANT to damage myself? hmmm?

Let me ask you this. If someone does a 500mg to 1gram a week of NPP or DECA, plus test, ai and HCG on cycle, and then a PCT (which they do), how does the one addition of test keep away permanent damage?

And testosterone does indeed have a direct impact on concentration, focus and energy, etc... Hence TRT patients(b4 going on therapy they lack concentration focus etc) so running test with it is not only a necessity but must!

Do you want to recover yes I'm positive you do... But your setting yourself up for disaster.

[Mr.BB]

I dont think in the 80's there were AAS that would shut you down that hard back then, also the purity of what was around in those days is completely different to now.

You mean that in the 80s all the pharma grade legal steroids had no purity compared nowadays UGLs??

You have it backwards...

On topic: OP I have a better solution, just take womens pill. You will lose libido cause of all the progesteron and estradiol for sure, there will be some side effects, but everything for work concentration right??

FFS...

[reporich]

What religion has you thinking this way?

[jstone]

If you need to concentrate take some Adderall.

[Haydenz]

You mean that in the 80s all the pharma grade legal steroids had no purity compared nowadays UGLs??

You have it backwards...

On topic: OP I have a better solution, just take womens pill. You will lose libido cause of all the progesteron and estradiol for sure, there will be some side effects, but everything for work concentration right??

FFS...

im saying the purity in the 80s was FAR better than it is now

[XxAndreaxX]

Depends on you, but its very likely you’ll loose your libido (especially if you let prolactine rise), I know from first hand. Hcg for remain fertile, its also very likely.
I don’t like that because you could get lethargic and depressed aswell, but it could work, althoug very dangerous experiment.
Like you said, you’ll have to run a good test cycle after that, because you might loose psycological libido.
I’m more focused when on test.

[jaast3]

Depends on you, but its very likely you’ll loose your libido (especially if you let prolactine rise), I know from first hand. Hcg for remain fertile, its also very likely.
I don’t like that because you could get lethargic and depressed aswell, but it could work, althoug very dangerous experiment.
Like you said, you’ll have to run a good test cycle after that, because you might loose psycological libido.
I’m more focused when on test.

The Telmisartin is for lethargy. Also for libido there is PT-141, especially for the wife. I do agree that test is needed, very much so.

Knowing that I would probably receive scorn for posting, the fact is that knowledge of no test cycles is really hard to find, at least for myself. Thus the actual observable science is hard to come by. I put myself out on a limb to try and elicit data from experienced users in such cycles (many of whom are afraid to post in a test base culture online). From my reading, old timers did such cycles, and later got women pregnant, with the desire/libido to do so. PCT seems to be the biggest problem. Also hcg (hello, use hcg on cycle) and helpful ancillaries seem to still be widely misunderstood.

For any lurkers interested in non-standard cycles and data, and areas of research like triptorelin, that hesitate to post questions, I feel you. By the way lurkers, triptorelin, from my study, does not seem to be a one shot PCT like many have hoped. You still need to go to the top of the HPTA endocrine chain with SERMS to kick start the process. However the history of SERMS shows they are dangerous in some regards. Cancers and cataracts for example are concerns. However I also believe there are ancillaries that can be used with SERMS to offset these sides. Purple cabbage juice, and other dark juices (powder or organic/fresh which is best), Echinacea augustifolia (can help the body produce interferon and more which can help prevent cancer) and other things can make SERM PCT's safer, but I am not about to try to list a comprehensive plan. I just want to do a favor to lurkers to urge further study, before I get banned or executed.

Even if I do not do this cycle, and use test in the stack, other issues were hinted at/brought up, such as does PCT even work for gear users at all. So the logical conclusion is that even with PCT, and a "proper" cycle with hcg, people never really recover from gear use. I find that hard to believe. The issue was raised that the DRAFT cycle I listed is dangerous. This was never clear in my mind, as to what is dangerous, but my best guess is the amount of NPP proposed, and perhaps the number of ancillaries. However if many people do similar cycles (with test), and recover, have libido, and babies, the logical questions is why do they recover well?

Another issue that has me curious, that was proposed, is using "womens pills". I will never do what was proposed, however, it is interesting that these pills are basically oral steroids . So totally off topic in the interest of science/knowledge, I wondered since oral aas can cause liver problems, then could birth control pills do so for women? So, I did a search, and this is in fact the case. Interesting.

The issue of gear purity came up, and I had been wondering this myself. If someone buys gear powder to do things cheaper, somehow keeps away from "the authorities" as far as getting the gear, and then wants to test it. I heard of someone sending some off to a lab to get this tested, and also am interested in learning how that can be done.

Since I obviously have become an unwelcome party to post such things in various forums, I thought I would at least like to try recording a few thoughts for lurkers/students before I get the boot.

One of the best comments was to the effect if I lose libido, I may never get it back. That at least is an honest, and valid area for real data based research. I plan to focus on learning about men who have lost libido on gear (using no test), and gotten it fully back, and why they did as opposed to others that have a long term problem recovering it. I would like to try and learn what are the real variables involved, as opposed to guess work. I know this is a problem, and is a large part as to why I made such a involved draft cycle, to try and use what I have learned to make the most recovery friendly stack (setting aside the issue of test). So for sake of learning/argument, a more recovery friendly cycle MIGHT mean lowering the NPP a bit (maybe to 500mg/week), and at least adding a replacement dose of test ace.

The sad truth as far as my interest in no test cycling goes, is that either many modern gear users 1. do not know about past use facts 2. do not know about current use facts 3. if they know or have done so personally, are afraid to discuss it. Thus, especially with #3, knowledge gets splintered and lost, and "approved" endocrinologists, and bros lacking such knowledge themselves, are inept when it comes to helping gear users in the no test category.

I wish peace, real recovery, and decent anabolism to you.

[NACH3]

GL w/ur....

[jaast3]

^^ I definitely don't see you as an unwanted member or anything to that matter... I think it just caught some members by surprise as to why one would want to this type of cycle... Znd b/c this forum promotes "Safe AAS Use". With that said many members feared that if you do indeed knock your libido to the dirt, as you mentioned it may not come back... Leading many to ? This theory!

But also, you mentioned that back when no AI's, not the science we have today etc... But why some men were/are able to inpregnate their misses, and some don't/can't... Obviously there aren't enough studies out there to have real scientific data... Which sucks in your case...

Yes it's unconventional but you said that in your title... I still hope you add the test if going thru but this is an experiment as you stated but dangerous... Do Be Safe and GL with whstever you decide!

Which one of the following is most likely to bring forth the wrath of bros in modern forums:

1. Bro proposes to use aas with no hcg on cycle. This cycle is otherwise known as the "hey, where are my gonads" cycle.
2. Bro proposes to use aas with no test on cycle.

The answer of course is #2. However in my research, #1 is more dangerous. If I am proven wrong with facts, fine.

[SOL!D5NAK3]

you will be in an asylum or in a corner of your home playing with floor with no test

[kelkel]

Let it die guys. He's probably just an old banned member stirring things up....

[BG]

Test as your base compound.

[NACH3]

Test as your base compound.

Brother your tris in that one pic is SICK!

[BG]

Brother your tris in that one pic is SICK!

That's not me that's 2 place 212 lb Mr.O. I wish.

[NACH3]

That's not me that's 2 place 212 lb Mr.O. I wish.

Lol... But I was yhinkin of B4 in the red... Before you changed Avi? That's the one I was referring too...

I agree he's SICK @ 212... Lol