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    Sleep aid on cycle??

    Hi all,

    I know cycling can cause sides like insomnia, etc! Well my last cycle(prop 525mg wkly/primo 700mgs wkly/anavar wks 6-12... hCG , AI, & 5mg of cialis ed... I could not sleep!

    I was wondering if any others suffer from this(I'm sure youve have at one point, but didn't have this problem in the past? Coild it be the prop or that just everyone's different?? And if anyone has taken a OTC sleep aid on cycle for proper rest? Or a non narcotic sleep aid, if needed?

    Just want to have some options for my upcoming cycle? Thanks!

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    One of my biggest issue's and I dont take very much gear anymore. I never had any luck with sleep aid's I worked on figuring other things that helped. Keeping my room at he right temp, I run a fan for noise and air circulation. Make sure I dont eat something that will keep me up, because when on cycle it just takes one little thing to wake me up. I also nap, this was the biggest thing that helped, took a little training but now it comes easy. 30-45mins I feel great. Main thing is not to let yourself get run down, if I feel my self getting close Ill take an easy day in the gym, or even a day off to catch up. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    One of my biggest issue's and I dont take very much gear anymore. I never had any luck with sleep aid's I worked on figuring other things that helped. Keeping my room at he right temp, I run a fan for noise and air circulation. Make sure I dont eat something that will keep me up, because when on cycle it just takes one little thing to wake me up. I also nap, this was the biggest thing that helped, took a little training but now it comes easy. 30-45mins I feel great. Main thing is not to let yourself get run down, if I feel my self getting close Ill take an easy day in the gym, or even a day off to catch up. Good luck.
    Yeah I'm the same w/a fan... And if I get up to used the bathroom or just wake up like you mentioned, I'm up! But funny you said napping... As that did end up helping... I would just sleep whenever I could(being I was in the gym at 4 am or earlier b/c of no sleep!

    I skso tend to start to overtrain towRds the end... As on cycle I hit opposing muscles in a supperset fashion and HIIT Syke of intensity!
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    Try some Melatonin and/or some ZMA.

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    Thanks for the advice, Alin! Much appreciated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIN View Post
    Try some Melatonin and/or some ZMA.
    ^^^ Melatonin works great.

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    I only ever had this prob when i used tren i am a ligh sleeper anyway but that sh*t just takes the piss nach.
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    I like to use Benadryl one of those will knock me out within 30min of taking it...I take it for my allergies but the sleep aid is a beneficial side effect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    I like to use Benadryl one of those will knock me out within 30min of taking it...I take it for my allergies but the sleep aid is a beneficial side effect...
    Good point... Took that during my last cycle as well for calm and sleep but I too am a very light sleeper... If I wake up to piss or drop a deuce I'm up... Lol

    But one ? My prop/NPP cycle is coming up soon(real)W/the Benadryl... Can you use w/a 19nor? I'll be taking Adex .25 eod, liq. C(5mg ed),hCG , Prami... Etc. I've heard you can't mix PDE5 inhibitors with Benadryl or Benadryl on a 19nor... Or something like that? You heard of this? I may be using the wrong mix(it may be the amino acid mix I had and pde5 inhibitors I'll have to check!

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    ive never heard anything like that and ive used it with all my 19nor cycles without any issues...that's not saying im wrong though as I don't know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    ive never heard anything like that and ive used it with all my 19nor cycles without any issues...that's not saying im wrong though as I don't know...
    I think I'm crossing up meds and sups... My bad... But I would love if I could take Benadryl as it did help last cycle(sleep, allergies lol, and keeps the HR down a bit as well in beginning) - using prop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    I like to use Benadryl one of those will knock me out within 30min of taking it...I take it for my allergies but the sleep aid is a beneficial side effect...
    that's works but its a drug that comes with sides, melatonin is a natural supplement and it's very effective and safe.
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    I've had tremendous luck with making my own valerian root tea. I buy it in bulk from amazon and find it to be 5x more effective than the supplement caps. Throw a couple tablespoons in a tea bag or a tea ball and you're good to go.

    I also like melatonin but I need about 20mg to have an effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorn Turock View Post
    I've had tremendous luck with making my own valerian root tea. I buy it in bulk from amazon and find it to be 5x more effective than the supplement caps. Throw a couple tablespoons in a tea bag or a tea ball and you're good to go.

    I also like melatonin but I need about 20mg to have an effect
    I was lookin more along these lines(a natural supp)... Good point Bass... I could have phrased it better. Thanks fellas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    Hi all,

    I know cycling can cause sides like insomnia, etc! Well my last cycle(prop 525mg wkly/primo 700mgs wkly/anavar wks 6-12... hCG , AI, & 5mg of cialis ed... I could not sleep!

    I was wondering if any others suffer from this(I'm sure youve have at one point, but didn't have this problem in the past? Coild it be the prop or that just everyone's different?? And if anyone has taken a OTC sleep aid on cycle for proper rest? Or a non narcotic sleep aid, if needed?

    Just want to have some options for my upcoming cycle? Thanks!
    I could certainly tell you the best natural sleep aid in the world! Except there's no drug talk, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about and it helps tremendously!

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    And may burn fat... Lol

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    Been using Melatonin for years when traveling. Works great.

    After starting TRT, I began using Melatonin and Circadian (timed-released Melatonin) to improve sleep. I may still wake up in the middle of the night, but it's very easy to go back to sleep.
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    OK this may seem a little to much for most people but I have heard worse and I have a LONG history of sleep problems mostly related to shift work.

    I use Melatonin, Calcium & Magnesium, OTC generic gel cap sleep ait (Safeway brand) and 1/2 an ambien (5mg).

    With just ambien I only sleep 4hrs max but with the mix I sleep a pretty solid 8hrs now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    I was lookin more along these lines(a natural supp)... Good point Bass... I could have phrased it better. Thanks fellas!
    Melatonin you can take every day, benadryl two weeks max i believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    OK this may seem a little to much for most people but I have heard worse and I have a LONG history of sleep problems mostly related to shift work.

    I use Melatonin, Calcium & Magnesium, OTC generic gel cap sleep ait (Safeway brand) and 1/2 an ambien (5mg).

    With just ambien I only sleep 4hrs max but with the mix I sleep a pretty solid 8hrs now.
    Yeah km a very light sleeper even off... But way worse on...used to take traza done for sleep after high school... I am definitely gonna try out the above guys...

    Thanks and appreciated!

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    I was having a terrible time sleeping last night, popped two melatonin pills and slept like a baby!

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    Awesome... Just purchased some... Will try next time I can't sleep! Does it also help to keep you asleep as once I'm awake I have a hard time falling back asleep? Just curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    Awesome... Just purchased some... Will try next time I can't sleep! Does it also help to keep you asleep as once I'm awake I have a hard time falling back asleep? Just curious...
    yes, in fact its known to help you go into deep sleep, that's when you dream like never before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    yes, in fact its known to help you go into deep sleep, that's when you dream like never before!
    Perfect... Sounds exactly what I wanted(have now)... Don't know why I fifht think if this! Lol. Thanks and much appreciated Bass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    yes, in fact its known to help you go into deep sleep, that's when you dream like never before!
    that's pretty good news for me im going to have to try melatonin for the first time....I've been monitoring my sleep with the jawbone up24 and my sleeping patterns are shit...I average 1hr of deep sleep a night and wake up at least 3 time per night...I haven't had a dream in years...I also don't use an alarm clock because its unnecessary due to my poor sleep...my sister has been boasting about it for years but since iv always taken Benadryl during allergy season I haven't bothered to try anything else...thanks for the info brother...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    that's pretty good news for me im going to have to try melatonin for the first time....I've been monitoring my sleep with the jawbone up24 and my sleeping patterns are shit...I average 1hr of deep sleep a night and wake up at least 3 time per night...I haven't had a dream in years...I also don't use an alarm clock because its unnecessary due to my poor sleep...my sister has been boasting about it for years but since iv always taken Benadryl during allergy season I haven't bothered to try anything else...thanks for the info brother...
    I too, haven't dreamed regularly for yrs... And only avg about 2hrs of deep sleep maybe! I'm looking forward to trying it out as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    that's pretty good news for me im going to have to try melatonin for the first time....I've been monitoring my sleep with the jawbone up24 and my sleeping patterns are shit...I average 1hr of deep sleep a night and wake up at least 3 time per night...I haven't had a dream in years...I also don't use an alarm clock because its unnecessary due to my poor sleep...my sister has been boasting about it for years but since iv always taken Benadryl during allergy season I haven't bothered to try anything else...thanks for the info brother...
    oh before melatonin was suggested to me I barely slept 10 minutes at a time, I woke up 20 times or so during the night, and in the morning was very hard to get out of bead as you can imagine. also for many years I haven't had real dreams, they were more like flashes and mini nightmares, but since I been taking melatonin I not only have long dreams but also remember them when I wake up! I get better sleep and easy getting out of bead in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    oh before melatonin was suggested to me I barely slept 10 minutes at a time, I woke up 20 times or so during the night, and in the morning was very hard to get out of bead as you can imagine. also for many years I haven't had real dreams, they were more like flashes and mini nightmares, but since I been taking melatonin I not only have long dreams but also remember them when I wake up! I get better sleep and easy getting out of bead in the morning.
    im loving what im hearing bro, I could really use the kind of sleep that your talking about, ill let you know how it goes for me thx...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    im loving what im hearing bro, I could really use the kind of sleep that your talking about, ill let you know how it goes for me thx...
    starts with et recommended dose and adjust as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    starts with et recommended dose and adjust as needed.
    roger that...thx
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    Thx again Bass...
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    Benadryl and melatonin works wonders for me...take 30 min before bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    I was having a terrible time sleeping last night, popped two melatonin pills and slept like a baby!
    Careful about popping 2 depending on MG. I was also doing that and it was not helping at all but mine were 5mg each so that means I was taking 10mg when I did 2. Everyone I have talked to on here who use it say it should be only 1mg or a little more otherwise it can have the opposite effect. I still have quite a few so I break them in 1/2 and then 1/2 again so it's only around 1mg and it seems to help.

    Mistake #1: Melatonin is a sleep hormone

    Most people think melatonin is a natural sleeping pill. This couldn’t be more wrong; melatonin on its own won’t induce sleep, and is usually only effective in short-term applications. It’s more correct to think of melatonin as a ‘darkness’ signaler, that is, it tells the brain that it needs to prepare for a night time or winter cycle. If taken in the evening or when it’s dark, melatonin can speed up sleep preparation, and it can tell the body clock to shift its sleep cycle to an earlier time.
    Mistake #2: I can take melatonin at any time.

    If melatonin is used during daytime brightness, it can cause adverse effects. If the body clock is receiving conflicting daytime light signals and dark signals from melatonin, it can malfunction and not work properly when it is time to go to sleep later.
    Mistake #3: Melatonin is a natural supplement, so it can’t do any harm.

    The wrong amounts of melatonin or melatonin at the wrong time of day can cause serious health risks. Daytime melatonin has been shown to cause depression. This makes sense, especially when you consider that melatonin causes us to pull back, withdraw, become disoriented and irritable – the classic hibernation response. It’s best to avoid using melatonin that could be in our system during the day.
    Mistake #4: I need melatonin to help me sleep

    In most cases, your sleep problem isn’t from a lack of melatonin, and increasing melatonin can mask underlying problems that are the real cause of insomnia. If you need melatonin to help you fall or stay asleep, you are more likely suffering from a circadian rhythm sleep disorder. Circadian rhythm sleep disorders mean that your body is producing melatonin and other sleep hormones at the wrong time of day, so when you need to sleep, you don’t have enough melatonin in your system. Simply adding melatonin doesn’t fix the sleep problem and can contribute to depressive mood disorders. The most effective treatment for circadian rhythm sleep disorders is light therapy, because bright light is the zeitgeber or signaler the body clock uses to reset itself each day.
    Mistake #5: I need to keep taking melatonin.

    Sleep experts don’t recommend taking melatonin for more than two weeks at a time. Melatonin is effective as a signal augmenter (reinforcing external cues), or as a tool to help shift sleep and circadian rhythms. Long term use of melatonin indicates a more serious underlying sleep disorder that should be investigated by a sleep professional.
    Mistake #6: The dosage amount isn’t important.

    The problem with melatonin is that it was discovered long before scientists really understood what it does and how much you need. For example, in the late 80’s and early 90’s, we thought melatonin was a sleep hormone. Now we know it is much more complicated. In addition, tablet sizes average 3-5 mg. New evidence shows that adult males only need 150 micrograms, and the average female needs only 100 micrograms (a microgram is 1/100 th of a milligram). So the average melatonin supplement is 20 – 50 times more than we need! If you are using regular melatonin tablets, you can cut the pill into fourths, otherwise, try to find the smallest pill size available. If you are taking time-released melatonin, do not break the pill, as this will ruin the time-release
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    ^^^ thanx for the info Lovbyts... Great stuff here... I woulda never thought to look at from this perspective!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Careful about popping 2 depending on MG. I was also doing that and it was not helping at all but mine were 5mg each so that means I was taking 10mg when I did 2. Everyone I have talked to on here who use it say it should be only 1mg or a little more otherwise it can have the opposite effect. I still have quite a few so I break them in 1/2 and then 1/2 again so it's only around 1mg and it seems to help.

    Mistake #1: Melatonin is a sleep hormone

    Most people think melatonin is a natural sleeping pill. This couldn’t be more wrong; melatonin on its own won’t induce sleep, and is usually only effective in short-term applications. It’s more correct to think of melatonin as a ‘darkness’ signaler, that is, it tells the brain that it needs to prepare for a night time or winter cycle. If taken in the evening or when it’s dark, melatonin can speed up sleep preparation, and it can tell the body clock to shift its sleep cycle to an earlier time.
    Mistake #2: I can take melatonin at any time.

    If melatonin is used during daytime brightness, it can cause adverse effects. If the body clock is receiving conflicting daytime light signals and dark signals from melatonin, it can malfunction and not work properly when it is time to go to sleep later.
    Mistake #3: Melatonin is a natural supplement, so it can’t do any harm.

    The wrong amounts of melatonin or melatonin at the wrong time of day can cause serious health risks. Daytime melatonin has been shown to cause depression. This makes sense, especially when you consider that melatonin causes us to pull back, withdraw, become disoriented and irritable – the classic hibernation response. It’s best to avoid using melatonin that could be in our system during the day.
    Mistake #4: I need melatonin to help me sleep

    In most cases, your sleep problem isn’t from a lack of melatonin, and increasing melatonin can mask underlying problems that are the real cause of insomnia. If you need melatonin to help you fall or stay asleep, you are more likely suffering from a circadian rhythm sleep disorder. Circadian rhythm sleep disorders mean that your body is producing melatonin and other sleep hormones at the wrong time of day, so when you need to sleep, you don’t have enough melatonin in your system. Simply adding melatonin doesn’t fix the sleep problem and can contribute to depressive mood disorders. The most effective treatment for circadian rhythm sleep disorders is light therapy, because bright light is the zeitgeber or signaler the body clock uses to reset itself each day.
    Mistake #5: I need to keep taking melatonin.

    Sleep experts don’t recommend taking melatonin for more than two weeks at a time. Melatonin is effective as a signal augmenter (reinforcing external cues), or as a tool to help shift sleep and circadian rhythms. Long term use of melatonin indicates a more serious underlying sleep disorder that should be investigated by a sleep professional.
    Mistake #6: The dosage amount isn’t important.

    The problem with melatonin is that it was discovered long before scientists really understood what it does and how much you need. For example, in the late 80’s and early 90’s, we thought melatonin was a sleep hormone. Now we know it is much more complicated. In addition, tablet sizes average 3-5 mg. New evidence shows that adult males only need 150 micrograms, and the average female needs only 100 micrograms (a microgram is 1/100 th of a milligram). So the average melatonin supplement is 20 – 50 times more than we need! If you are using regular melatonin tablets, you can cut the pill into fourths, otherwise, try to find the smallest pill size available. If you are taking time-released melatonin, do not break the pill, as this will ruin the time-release
    Hey fellas,

    Just wanted to give an update regarding melatonin tabs snd sleep... I've just tried a hlf of a 3mg tab lastnight... Was watching a show and the next thing I know I'm waking up! Thanks guys(bass, lovbytes, ghettoboyd)!!

    FYI... 3mg tabs were the lowest dosed that I saw...

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    Check into Bulk powder Gaba.

    -Take a teaspoon of GABA powder (purchase in Bulk by the lb)
    -Take quality Melatonin 1-3mgs
    -Get ready get knocked out in 20-30 mins.
    *(unless you've done speed or caffeine within Last 8 hrs...learned this from Cops and Truckers who work odd ball hours).

    GABA is the trick...

    Also....gotta learn to quiet the Mind. Takes practice, but i never met one person who was into meditation that didn't sleep well at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcw View Post
    Check into Bulk powder Gaba.

    -Take a teaspoon of GABA powder (purchase in Bulk by the lb)
    -Take quality Melatonin 1-3mgs
    -Get ready get knocked out in 20-30 mins.
    *(unless you've done speed or caffeine within Last 8 hrs...learned this from Cops and Truckers who work odd ball hours).

    GABA is the trick...

    Also....gotta learn to quiet the Mind. Takes practice, but i never met one person who was into meditation that didn't sleep well at night.
    I just started practicing meditation(like you mentioned - I have a hard time lettin my mind rest) feels like it's constantly running at night - hence the meditation now! I call em "night thoughts"... Lol

    Thanks for the GABA - will definitely look into!

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