test propianate always cause swelling and PIP for weeks?

**doraemon** · 02-03-2015, 01:35 AM

I'm just curious, after pinning 100mg/cc test prop, why i'm experiencing PIP and swole around the pinning site for weeks? is it only me or every other people experiencing the same pain? should i reduce the dose into half?

**Chicagotarsier** · 02-03-2015, 03:07 AM

Carbon Chain

The shorter the carbon chain the higher the chance for pain and swelling. An ester is just a carbon chain. The shorter the ester the higher the chance it will react in the manner you described. Bee sting, if I am not mistaken, has the shortest chain of 2 Carbons.

Also for me temperature difference in prop impacts me more than the longer esters so make sure the oil is room temp before shooting.

**AussieMachine** · 02-03-2015, 03:20 AM

It's can also be due to the Propionic acid inside Testosterone Propionate . Some people feel very little pain from this, some end up feeling like they have sown a piece of metal under there skin

**lovbyts** · 02-03-2015, 03:26 AM

Could be virgin muscle.
To fast of injection causing bruising.
To short of a needle.
To big of a needle.
To much BA.

**doraemon** · 02-03-2015, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Carbon Chain

The shorter the carbon chain the higher the chance for pain and swelling. An ester is just a carbon chain. The shorter the ester the higher the chance it will react in the manner you described. Bee sting, if I am not mistaken, has the shortest chain of 2 Carbons.

Also for me temperature difference in prop impacts me more than the longer esters so make sure the oil is room temp before shooting.

so it's because of the short ester? make sense to me, cause i've pinned the right way. cutting the dose into half, will reduce the pain and swell or no? or is it better i change into cyp/enan? by the way, thanks for you explaination.

**doraemon** · 02-03-2015, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Could be virgin muscle.
To fast of injection causing bruising.
To short of a needle.
To big of a needle.
To much BA.

virgin muscle? it's not the first time i pinned my glutes.
too fast injection? i dont think so, it takes around 45seconds for me to inject the oil.
to big needle? 23-25g is it too big?
too much ba? how do we know if the test containing more ba ?

thanks for your explaination sir.

**doraemon** · 02-03-2015, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by AussieMachine

It's can also be due to the Propionic acid inside Testosterone Propionate. Some people feel very little pain from this, some end up feeling like they have sown a piece of metal under there skin

so is it depends of every each individual's tolerance of the propionic acid? cutting the dose into half will help me or no?

thanks for your explaination sir.

**NACH3** · 02-03-2015, 11:00 AM

Try heating it up a lil... Not real hot but enough to tolerate...As that can help w/pip...

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 02-03-2015, 11:30 AM

Test P hurts like a bitch. I had to cut it with GSO but even that didn't guarantee no PIP.
Test C is pain free for me.

Same manufacturer.

**Buster Brown** · 02-03-2015, 11:31 AM

You may need to cut it with GSO to truly get any relief.

**gamble14** · 02-03-2015, 12:58 PM

Are you using a long enough pin to get into the muscle? If you aren't gettin the test into the muscle and just under the skin it will cause it to swell and hurt like crazy until the test is absorbed into the muscle. Just a possibility. Also try pinnin after a warm shower so your muscles are relaxed. Just some things I do. Good luck

**HawaiiLifr** · 02-03-2015, 02:04 PM

Could be sh*t gear. By that I mean the raws are less than 95% purity. I've had low purity Prop, and high purity. High purity Prop causes ZERO PIP. Even when injecting 2mL's. In fact, I think any gear dosed at 100MG/mL that gives PIP is mostly due to low quality raws.

**HawaiiLifr** · 02-03-2015, 02:05 PM

Could be sh*t gear. By that I mean the raws are less than 95% purity. I've had low purity Prop, and high purity. High purity Prop causes ZERO PIP. Even when injecting 2mL's. In fact, I think any gear dosed at 100MG/mL that gives PIP is mostly due to low quality raws.

Then again, it could just be you.

**doraemon** · 02-03-2015, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Test P hurts like a bitch. I had to cut it with GSO but even that didn't guarantee no PIP.
Test C is pain free for me.

Same manufacturer.

are there any difference in result between test c and test p? what is GSO by the way?
thanks for your input sir.

**doraemon** · 02-03-2015, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiiLifr

Could be sh*t gear. By that I mean the raws are less than 95% purity. I've had low purity Prop, and high purity. High purity Prop causes ZERO PIP. Even when injecting 2mL's. In fact, I think any gear dosed at 100MG/mL that gives PIP is mostly due to low quality raws.

Then again, it could just be you.

I'm injecting a mix trentest 200 which means 1cc containing 100mg test p and 100mg tren ace, which only cost me around $80. If you said a bad gear cause me to deal with PIP and swelling, i think i should agree with you. Have you ever experiencing PIP and swelling due to bad gear? and how can we check the purity level of the prop?
thanks for your input sir.

**HawaiiLifr** · 02-03-2015, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by doraemon

I'm injecting a mix trentest 200 which means 1cc containing 100mg test p and 100mg tren ace, which only cost me around $80. If you said a bad gear cause me to deal with PIP and swelling, i think i should agree with you. Have you ever experiencing PIP and swelling due to bad gear? and how can we check the purity level of the prop?
thanks for your input sir.

PIP and swelling is not the norm for gear dosed at 100MG/mL. Higher concentrations yes, but not 100MG/mL. It's not really 'bad' gear. It just means the raws are not of high purity. E.g. raws that are less than 95% pure vs. 99% pure raws would probably not show any noticeable difference in gains. The gear could also possibly be unsterile? My friend if Tren Ace or Test Prop dosed @ 100MG/mL is causing you noticeable PIP and/or swelling, I would toss the gear and find a more reliable source. This is all part of the process, finding a quality source you can trust.

**Ashop** · 02-03-2015, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by doraemon

I'm just curious, after pinning 100mg/cc test prop, why i'm experiencing PIP and swole around the pinning site for weeks? is it only me or every other people experiencing the same pain? should i reduce the dose into half?

Some folks have a problem with the PROP ester and complain of some pain.

**ScotchGuard02** · 02-04-2015, 02:20 PM

I brewed my own Prop so I know the exact concentration and ratio of compounds. It hurt like a muther. I couldn't use it. I bought some more powder and brewed another batch EXACTLY the same as the first batch. It was way smoother! I am convinced that not all powders are made with the same quality. We think the UGL may be crappy but I think they just buy powders that are crappy.

**HawaiiLifr** · 02-04-2015, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I brewed my own Prop so I know the exact concentration and ratio of compounds. It hurt like a muther. I couldn't use it. I bought some more powder and brewed another batch EXACTLY the same as the first batch. It was way smoother! I am convinced that not all powders are made with the same quality. We think the UGL may be crappy but I think they just buy powders that are crappy.

That was my experience too. I agree, you can't really blame the UGL; it's the raws. On the otherhand, a quality UGL would make damn sure his raws were on point! They could have the raws mass spec. analysed. Not many do that!

**zempey** · 02-04-2015, 02:48 PM

I have been injecting 120mg prop eod since Dec 17th, only time I had pip is when I moved the needle around too much probably tearing the shite out of the muscle tissue. I try very hard to hold it steady now. I have used some gear that felt like I had been shot, and the gear I use now never gives me pain.