Prop+Tren ace vs Prop vs Deca

[Nolvadexbrah]

Title should be Prop+Tren ace vs Prop + Deca



Test prop + deca.

Week 1 to 12:Testosterone prop @ (400mg/week total) injection EOD
Week 1 to 10: Deca-Durabolin (200mg/week total)
Week 1 to 12:hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)


(am I using too much armidex? should I use only first 10 days?)

PCT

Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20 after 4 days of my last injection.



Test prop and tren ace.

Besically the same test prop cycle but I don't know how to combine it with tren ace.. some people tell me its better to get more tren than test due to some miths.. tren dick or w/e.

Also my life will be a hell if I have to inject 3 times EOD.. any advice?



My goals are to get as much lean mass as I can without much water retation. I want clean gains I don't want to look very puffy. Yes I know it all depends on diet, but my diet will be much over my TDEE. I want to bulk as much as I can, but as I said.. without much water retantion. I've been in gym for 1 years and a half, I only gained 5kgs.. but I'm ready to treat this serious. I planned everything I just need a good cycle for my goal.



STATS

I am 20 years old, 184cms and 62kgs /6.0ft 136 pounds.
Its my fist cycle please feel free to advice me to drop the dosage but don't point out that I shouldn't do it as my first cycle. I'm very aware of the risks, I really want to do it. I know that its very dangerous at my age, but at least I didn't lie about my age. Thank you very much.

[Back In Black]

I'm gonna advise you to drop everything.

Too young
Too many compounds in any event
Way too light.

did you start already?

Go to our diet section, the problem lies there not in the lack of AAS.

[Nolvadexbrah]

Thanks mate I really appreciate, you're a good guy that you try to keep me off this. I haven't started it but I really want to. Despite of all odds or what anyone says. I really want to do this. My diet will be good no doubt.

[EquilibriumZ]

Yes, you are WAY too light, no foundation. You ll injure yourself not because of bad form, because your tendons arent strong enough yet.

Train for atleast another 2 years solid.

How long have you been training?

[Back In Black]

Your diet SHOULD be good already not just be good on cycle.

You'll get the same response from everybody although most people will likelY be less polite.

Tell us what you are yesterday?

[Nolvadexbrah]

Already stated one year and a half. I got good form, no worry. Well I'm doing it anyway.. maybe I should have lied about my age.. lol. So I could get decent help.


EDIT: "Tell us what you are yesterday?" What do you mean?

[EquilibriumZ]

Already stated one year and a half. I got good form, no worry. Well I'm doing it anyway.. maybe I should have lied about my age.. lol. So I could get decent help.

Whoops didnt see. 1.5 years is not enough.
Reread what i said, even with BEST form you ll injure yourself. Your muscles will be too strong for tendons = injury regardless of from.

No it's not just the age, it's also the weight. You d have to lie about that too. You d also have to lie about your diet and training experience lolz
Just lie about everything

[Back In Black]

If you think you aren't getting help then you need to wise up. Even if you were 40 you'd be advised not to cycle because you have no foundation and your diet is sorely lacking. Whatever weight you may gain on cycle will quickly be lost because you have no idea how to eat to gain or maintain.

So you're going to take the risk of permanent HPTA damage for no gains? Or, no doubt, like most of us at 20 think we are indestructible and 'it won't happen to me'. Guess what? It does, plenty of stories on here of young people who are struggling with a damaged HPTA because of cycling at a young age.

[Nolvadexbrah]

lol yeah indeed, but understand that Im going to do it anyway.. I'm bonded on this really hard, I don't need advice of what could happend, I already know Im putting my life in danger.. I am ready for this, I'm ready to take chances.. get that through your mind please.. and help me do it at least safely and minimize the danger ty

Guess what? It does, plenty of stories on here of young people who are struggling with a damaged HPTA because of cycling at a young age.

I know.. but there are plenty that have done it sucessfully, I won't live my life with fear. Rather be dead right now.

[Back In Black]

lol yeah indeed, but understand that Im going to do it anyway.. I'm bonded on this really hard, I don't need advice of what could happend, I already know Im putting my life in danger.. I am ready for this, I'm ready to take chances.. get that through your mind please.. and help me do it at least safely and minimize the danger ty

Ok, I get it, it's 'through my mind'.

Best of luck.

[Nolvadexbrah]

I was thinking for the prop+tren cycle

Weeks 1-8 --> Test. Prop 50-100mg EOD
Weeks 1-8 --> Tren Ace 50-75mg EOD
Weeks 3-6 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 doses of 750IU 3,5 days between them )
Weeks 7-8 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 doses of 1500IU 3,5 days between them)
Weeks 1-8 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg ED OR Pramixepole 0,15-0,50mg ED (optional)
Weeks 1-8 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED


PCT:

Example 1:
Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100 | 75 | 50 | 25mg ED
Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 30 | 20 | 10mg ED

Example 2:
Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100 | 50 | 50 | 25mg ED
Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 20 | 20 | 10mg ED

Is it okay? Too much hCG? The period of time is too short? **** lol I need some help guys please.

[Mr.BB]

Do you know you are at the peak of your natural produced testosterone?

And by cycling at your age you could damage this T production?

[Nolvadexbrah]

Yes mate I've stated already, I'm aware of everything.

EDIT: Oh no I'm not at my peak. Haven't even bother to check tbh.. won't check it either, I will just do it.

[Mr.BB]

Yes mate I've stated already, I'm aware of everything.

Then why dont you wait a couple of years???

Cycling without know how to diet is a waste of oil at any age.

Do you have a gf? Have you ever had erectile disfunction?

[Nolvadexbrah]

I don't know very much advanced diet but I know what my macros are, I know how to calculate macros.
I don't want to wait because Im already a skinny **** and it will take too long to improve naturally. I had a gf and no I don't have erectile disfuction.

I just want to stop running around the subject and actually get some help.

[Back In Black]

You've had all the help you need but here's some more, tren on a first cycle massively increases the risk of permanent damage but hey, you don't care right.

[Nolvadexbrah]

Actually I was thinking to drop the second gear, and just go with prop for the first cycle. But trying to figure it out if it will be that effective. Looking to get 20lbs-25lbs in 12 weeks.

[Back In Black]

Actually I was thinking to drop the second gear, and just go with prop for the first cycle. But trying to figure it out if it will be that effective. Looking to get 20lbs.

Again, it will be a complete waste, lots of risk for no gains.

POST UP WHAT YOU ATE YESTERDAY IN TERMS OF FOOD AND MACRO's

[Mr.BB]

Thats what we are trying to do, help.

Bodybuilding is not a sprint race, its a marathon and if you take shortcuts you will get disqualified, ie lose all your gains, trt for life, depression, ed, etc etc

If you are skinny now you will be skinny after cycling, because you are not eating properly. Muscle is built by food, not steroids. Steroids help when everything else is in check.

Start by getting proper nutrition and training and in couple of years think again about steroids?

[EquilibriumZ]

Lol he fails to realize even with roids he is still going to be same size "skinny ****". Your diet is shit mate, you will not grow if you dont fix that first. You ll probably even be smaller at the end of your pct

[Nolvadexbrah]

Whey shake with milk + 3 bread slices with salami first time in the morning.


12 AM: I ate 3 eggs with 4 bread slices

15 PM: Rices with meet

20 PM: Sweet potates with meet.
(Not that much)
And that was basically everything. But when I'll get on gear I will try add A LOT MORE, since I don't want to waste it. I'm not going to GYM at the moment since I'm back in town. I'll renew my card when I go back to university.


My diet on gear will be like 340grams of carbs and around 200(+/-) of protein.

In the morning whey shake or oatmeal with milk.

10 PM 100 grams of chicken breast and around 150 grams of rice

13 PM same thing

16 PM Sweet potates with 100 grams of chicken breat

21 PM Rice/potates + whey shake

before bed, one banana



EDIT: I understand that I will have to eat good after cycling too.

[Mr.BB]

Lol my gf eats more than you.

If you cant understand that is stupid this cycling idea of yours then you are too far gone lol

[Nolvadexbrah]

well have you take a look on my current weight? lol probably I will die doing this cycle at least I won't bother u guys anymore with stupid questions.. at least i won't die in a sauna in Bangkok.

[EquilibriumZ]

340g of carbs
200g of protein
Is this a joke? You wont even grow with this off cycle. No wonder 130lbs at 6 feet

[Nolvadexbrah]

lol..

[Nolvadexbrah]

I can't delete posts.. sorry for double post.

Please just tell me if this is good, I got everything in hand.

Week 1 to 12:Testosterone prop @ (400mg/week total) injection EOD
Week 1 to 10: Deca-Durabolin (200mg/week total)
Week 1 to 12:hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)


(am I using too much armidex? should I use only first 10 days?)

PCT

Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20 after 4 days of my last injection.

[EquilibriumZ]

lol? what u mean its a joke? what would be a good diet? tell me and I swear I will ****ing eat everything ffs... i already done tone of research and thats what I think its suitable.. to grow at my age/height and weight..

How about you go test your "tons of research" for 2 months before touching gear then post your result in this same thread then i ll give you all the advice you need on your cycle

[qscgugcsq]

you eat as 130 lbs dude...
learn to eat properly.

drop the potato and start white rice.
you are skinny cause you dont eat enough you think you eat alot cause your stomach is as skinny as you.

increase the calorie dense food and reduce the high sasiety one.

go for white rice(minimum one cup uncooked per day) oatmeal( at least 4 cup)
lots of prots and dont be scared of some fat.

dont need gear just proper diet...

you clearlt dont know much if we have to tell you this.

try eating 4000 cals and come back in a years when youll be 160 so we can tell you not to use cause you still dont have a good base enough...

wait until minimum 23YO 180lbs...

good luck

[Nolvadexbrah]

*sigh* ty I will post here my logs soon as I start the cycle

[Back In Black]

Come on guys, stop wasting your valuable time.

He is either a troll or seriously hard of thinking.

He wants to get massive fast but eats like a sparrow and doesn't even train at the moment.

He has 'brah' in his screen name, that says it all.

Kid, if you want advice get ton he diet section and the lifting section. If you want to carry on your foolish plan then that's your own foolish choice.

[Nolvadexbrah]

umad? u will be miring soon

[Back In Black]

umad? u will be miring soon

And you're australian to boot I bet, should have added that to my list.

[EquilibriumZ]

umad? u will be miring soon

Take tren, clen, hgh and winny while you are at it, cause you ll never look like jyzz or even the manlet babo. Brah

Actually you are never gonna make it loool

[Nolvadexbrah]

im Aziz's lost son, soon to become immortal ^ LOL jyzz is nothing i have 8pak umad?

Get shredded or die mirring FUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRKKKKk

[EquilibriumZ]

Abs on skinny/anorexic bish is like tits on fat chick. U mad? Yeh u mad

[Nolvadexbrah]

yes mad

[EquilibriumZ]

Ok go eat now and listen to the advice that was given. Or srsly u ll never make it

My last post here
Goodluck Brah

[Nolvadexbrah]

cheers

[Nolvadexbrah]

Please read this

A lot of the time you see people requesting advice and the same answers are always given

1) your not ready for steroids

2) look at your diet and training

3) thats too many compounds

4) tren is for an advanced user

5) only need 250mg week to grow

etc etc

The list goes on..

NOW, while im not saying any of this is bad advice, you have to think outside the box for person specific requirements..


For instance...

A lot of people will chastise and say "start on 250mg week test and work up to different compounds as you progress"

That is alll very well if say that person has a linear progression in mind and a long term goal to compete lets say

All very sensible, starting on 250mg test, see sides, add in dbol next time, add maybe deca time after etc etc

So the long haul as it were...

Now what if some one was not really in it for the long haul, was impatient (like me) and wanted gains straight away, has no plans to compete, just wants to be "hench as fck" for summer and will prob stop training in a few years when interest wains???

SO want a cycle to be "hench as fck"

Now if come asked myself, I would explain sides and prob suggest a test tren and oral poss Dbol cycle

As long as risks explained, sides are not any worse on a advanced drug user to a beginner?? so whats the big deal..

Also you all assume every one has same regard for health and should all be conscious of that fact

Well some, just want to be big and wil take the consequences (if any), so if they not worried why are you???

Why does diet have to be right??? you can gain on sh1t diet with aas .

Why cant tren used 1st cycle

Why are certain drugs only for "advanced althetes"

If you have the money and prepared to take risk, why is it more acceptable for a competitive BBder to use large amounts of aas, as opposed to a bicep boy who just wants to nail chicks??

Both goals are as important to the individual as each other, in fact IMO getting nailed has more benefitial real world applications than plastic trophys

Just My opinion, and as Dutch Scott freely admits is his main inspiration for training, and why not!!!


And for the record its my opinion if we were to look at side effects, the long term linear progresive user would IMO have more chance of getting medical problems than the few time mega dose bicep boy user who wil give up training in a few years

[XxAndreaxX]

Please read this

A lot of the time you see people requesting advice and the same answers are always given

1) your not ready for steroids

2) look at your diet and training

3) thats too many compounds

4) tren is for an advanced user

5) only need 250mg week to grow

etc etc

The list goes on..

NOW, while im not saying any of this is bad advice, you have to think outside the box for person specific requirements..


For instance...

A lot of people will chastise and say "start on 250mg week test and work up to different compounds as you progress"

That is alll very well if say that person has a linear progression in mind and a long term goal to compete lets say

All very sensible, starting on 250mg test, see sides, add in dbol next time, add maybe deca time after etc etc

So the long haul as it were...

Now what if some one was not really in it for the long haul, was impatient (like me) and wanted gains straight away, has no plans to compete, just wants to be "hench as fck" for summer and will prob stop training in a few years when interest wains???

SO want a cycle to be "hench as fck"

Now if come asked myself, I would explain sides and prob suggest a test tren and oral poss Dbol cycle

As long as risks explained, sides are not any worse on a advanced drug user to a beginner?? so whats the big deal..

Also you all assume every one has same regard for health and should all be conscious of that fact

Well some, just want to be big and wil take the consequences (if any), so if they not worried why are you???

Why does diet have to be right??? you can gain on sh1t diet with aas .

Why cant tren used 1st cycle

Why are certain drugs only for "advanced althetes"

If you have the money and prepared to take risk, why is it more acceptable for a competitive BBder to use large amounts of aas, as opposed to a bicep boy who just wants to nail chicks??

Both goals are as important to the individual as each other, in fact IMO getting nailed has more benefitial real world applications than plastic trophys

Just My opinion, and as Dutch Scott freely admits is his main inspiration for training, and why not!!!


And for the record its my opinion if we were to look at side effects, the long term linear progresive user would IMO have more chance of getting medical problems than the few time mega dose bicep boy user who wil give up training in a few years

You’re absolutely right bro, the problem is, it would be a bad advice.
You can up the dose, add drugs, eat shit, and still make gains and be shredded as ****.
Or you can lower the dose, quit some drugs, diet right, and get the same gains and still shredded.
Obviously, we want users to take the first option, because the second one, could lead to abuse, and serious problems.
Not everyone reacts the same to each drug. My worse experience was with hdrol only cycle, one of the lightest beginner-drugs out there.
I did after that test-tren-masteron-clen-t3-dbol, and not even close to the sides of hdrol only... so there is no advanced drug, but still, there are drugs that tend to give more problems than others