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    1st cycle questions

    Hi everyone, i am 20 years old and have been lifting for about 5 years now. I am 5'7" and 250 lbs. Yes, i am pretty heavy, i do have a little bit of a stomach, but carry a lot of weight in my legs, which are sold muscle. And over all pretty strong, bench 300, squat 425, dead lift 465, shoulder press 225. I was thinking of running a cycle of test for my first cycle, 500-525mg a week.

    here are my issues/questions:

    the test i can get is Stark labs uber 350 (anyone have any info on it?) a mixture 200 mg enanthate , 100 mg cypionate , 50 mg propionate . would i have to pin every other day because of the propionate and it shorter ester?

    Gyno, i have been researching and the more fat you have the more of a chance you have of getting it. But what if i was to take liquidex (from ar-r ), and is that okay to take during a whole cycle?

    Post cycle

    heres the biggest issue, one friend told me to take climid and nolva. and the other told me to take torm and exemestane. Which works better and has less sides/less serious ones.

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsn View Post
    Hi everyone, i am 20 years old and have been lifting for about 5 years now. I am 5'7" and 250 lbs. Yes, i am pretty heavy, i do have a little bit of a stomach, but carry a lot of weight in my legs, which are sold muscle. And over all pretty strong, bench 300, squat 425, dead lift 465, shoulder press 225. I was thinking of running a cycle of test for my first cycle, 500-525mg a week. Check out this link The Young and Steroids

    here are my issues/questions:

    the test i can get is Stark labs uber 350 (anyone have any info on it?) a mixture 200 mg enanthate , 100 mg cypionate , 50 mg propionate . would i have to pin every other day because of the propionate and it shorter ester? For a first cycle read this My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

    Gyno, i have been researching and the more fat you have the more of a chance you have of getting it. But what if i was to take liquidex (from ar-r ), and is that okay to take during a whole cycle? You should be on an AI throughout the entire cycle stop the AI when you start PCT.

    Post cycle

    heres the biggest issue, one friend told me to take climid and nolva. and the other told me to take torm and exemestane. Which works better and has less sides/less serious ones. For PCT you want to go 4 week of Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
    I have answered your questions so I would like to give you a recommendation. Let's assume your muscles may have fully developed at 20 (a lot of people continue to develop until mid 20's). But your Hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis (HPTA) normally will not fully mature until mid 20's. HPTA affects your natural Testosterone production. If you mess this up, which is possible when you cycle before the HPTA is fully mature, it could cause you problems for a long time. The sides effects range from low libido, erectile dysfunction, anorgasmia, cronic fatigue, depression, and other not so pleasant sides. So, my recommendation is that you do not cycle until you are 25. Is muscles worth the risk of having a limp swinging unit at 20? If yes, go for it. If no, then be patient and wait.
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    Scotch has given u an excellent recommendation, I totally agree.
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    I appreciate the advice guys, i just have one more question.

    Would GH be any safer/better to take at my age? i don't know too much about it.

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    The main problem with GH is the price. Because it costs several thousands of dollars per year, and some spend thousands per month, many cannot afford it. But, even worse, because it is so expensive, MANY of the less expensive alternatives are fake. I was lucky enough to obtain the "real deal" back when I was able to afford it. Then when finances became a little tighter I tried several cheaper versions. None of them gave me the same affects and I can only assume everything I tried since has been fake. Since even fake stuff costs hundreds of dollars, I would suggest you stay away from it simply for that reason.
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    Everything I have read here is great advice. I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said. Just wanted to add my confirmation that this advice is solid IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsn View Post
    I appreciate the advice guys, i just have one more question.

    Would GH be any safer/better to take at my age? i don't know too much about it.
    Your body naturally produce about a couple of IU's everyday until your're about 30. Then the production drops off by a couple of % a year from that point on out. The GH (I'll call the natural production Growth Hormone to distinguish it from exogenous HGH) is secreted throughout the day with the biggest secretion at night during REM sleep. Side Note: This is why sleep is critical for muscle tissue repair. GH is amazing stuff tells your body to produce IGF-1 which builds muscle, makes pre-teens taller, give you awesome muscular and cardio vascular endurance, promotes better blood/brain penetration for concentration and hard thinking, burn fat, this stuff is the magic drug. Here is a caveat. If you take exogenous HGH before the age of 30, your body will greatly reduce the production of GH. Your body says, "Hey there's a ton of IGF-1 out there so shut down the GH production." Your body could just stop the production of GH. A year later, you run out of money and stop taking HGH. Your natural production of GH might not start back up again. Then you think, "DANG! I shouldn't have messed around with my pituitary gland!" Remember that the GH is the magic drug, right? Now you got no more magic in your body. It will stink. Stay away from steroids . Stay away from HGH. Eat really good food, take your supplements, and workout really hard for 5 years. When you're 25 you can do your first cycle and you'll be totally ready. Good luck.
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