Back to the drawing board

[sixfootseven]

28 yrs old
6'7 250
12%

test-e cycle, test prop/var cycle completed with minimal sides

Ok so first some background:
-Was planning a 12-15 test-e cycle with tbol for first 6 weeks.
-Have everything on hand including hcg, pct, dex, aas, etc.
-Am not going to be able to run this is spring Like I planned bc of possible drug tests, etc.

So now I am planning a cycle for the summer, but I have short summers so now I am think of doing a prop cycle with my tbol.

But I am possibly thinking about a cycle that consists of:

prop week 1-8 or 10
Albuterol week 1-~4
T3 week 2-~4
Anavar week 1-4 or 6
Tbol week 2or4-8or10

It will be kind of a short cycle and my goal is to get very lean the first four weeks then do a nice clean bulk for the remainder of the cycle.

Basically looking to see if this is a reasonable cycle or if I should keep it simpler than this. I don't mind having it a little more complex if Its going to help me get better results.

Thnx


So here is what I'm thinking now:

Test Prop 300 mg eod week 1-10
Anavar 100 mg ed week 1-6
TBol 50 mg ed week 4-10
albuterol and keto week 1-~4
T3 50mcg/day week 2-~4
NAC 1200 mg/day week 1-10
hcg week 1-10
dex .25 eod week 1-10
I got some gyro-like symptoms (puffy nips) last time I ran prop so probably nolva 20 mg/day week 1-10
then pct

[qscgugcsq]

I would seriously go with clen instead of albuterol... just much more covenient.

running clen/albuterol for 4 weeks straight will require ketotifen.
and have cialis on hand to lower your blood pressure.

anavar is so smooth on the liver and tbol isnt harsh than 8 weeks wont cause any issue. just dont drink alcohol and you are fine.

it seems ok but in 4 weeks you wont have much time to grow...

If I were you I would run way more gear but trying to recomp...

like 1g test/ weeks for 8-10weeks and eating at maintenance.
doing IF it will cover any possible muscle loss and will build muscle while losing a but of fat.
plus some dieting tricks can make a recomp easier.
Just my opinion...

except that your cycle seems ok but like I said dont expect much gain from this time frame.
but still... if you do 6 week clean bulking you can still gain appreciable amount...

good luck giant

[sixfootseven]

I would seriously go with clen instead of albuterol... just much more covenient.

running clen/albuterol for 4 weeks straight will require ketotifen.
and have cialis on hand to lower your blood pressure.

anavar is so smooth on the liver and tbol isnt harsh than 8 weeks wont cause any issue. just dont drink alcohol and you are fine.

it seems ok but in 4 weeks you wont have much time to grow...

If I were you I would run way more gear but trying to recomp...

like 1g test/ weeks for 8-10weeks and eating at maintenance.
doing IF it will cover any possible muscle loss and will build muscle while losing a but of fat.
plus some dieting tricks can make a recomp easier.
Just my opinion...

except that your cycle seems ok but like I said dont expect much gain from this time frame.
but still... if you do 6 week clean bulking you can still gain appreciable amount...

good luck giant

OK I usully like albuterol bc the clen sides get to me but I will think about it.

So something like
prop 200-250mg eod for 10 weeks
clen/albut and t3 week 1-4
var week 1-4
tbol week 4-10

???

[NACH3]

OK I usully like albuterol bc the clen sides get to me but I will think about it.

So something like
prop 200-250mg eod for 10 weeks
clen/albut and t3 week 1-4
var week 1-4
tbol week 4-10

???

NAC for your liver as your gonna be running two orals! If Clen's sides get to you to much IMO I think albut/& T3 would be fine... For what you listed as goals it looks good(the revised one looks better IMO) but you may not want to run clen/albut/& T3...

I've always got good results w/backloading var on a cut(6-8 wks)but if your cutting then bulking(lean bulk) maybe take t-Bol as kicker and finish w/the var for your cut.... GL Monster!

[qscgugcsq]

OK I usully like albuterol bc the clen sides get to me but I will think about it.

So something like
prop 200-250mg eod for 10 weeks
clen/albut and t3 week 1-4
var week 1-4
tbol week 4-10

???

clen is just my personal preference
I personnally love clen I feel great on it if it doesnt suit you then go with albuterol.

to be honest I was thinking more of 250-300mg EOD for 8-10weeks without any oral...
I do think that both oral in term of recomp will have marginal effect with that much test...

however I remember your result with var and it was outstanding so it will certainly not slow you in your progress to add some.

Tbol I have no first hand experience so I cant speak of his efficiency yet.


I think oral would be overkill but then again you aim for recomp(overall) and you cant overkill on recomp XD

your cycle, your choice.
At your place I would be curious to.see with just high test.
but adding oral will br a nice icing on the cake.

and about NAC I believe it is a unecessary precaution...
liver toxicity for most is highly exagerated. But it certainly cant hurt.

[sixfootseven]

NAC for your liver as your gonna be running two orals! If Clen's sides get to you to much IMO I think albut/& T3 would be fine... For what you listed as goals it looks good(the revised one looks better IMO) but you may not want to run clen/albut/& T3...

I've always got good results w/backloading var on a cut(6-8 wks)but if your cutting then bulking(lean bulk) maybe take t-Bol as kicker and finish w/the var for your cut.... GL Monster!

Yeah have NAC as well just forgot to mention in, thnx. Will think about doing the cut after but I kind of like to be lean to see my gains lol

clen is just my personal preference
I personnally love clen I feel great on it if it doesnt suit you then go with albuterol.

to be honest I was thinking more of 250-300mg EOD for 8-10weeks without any oral...
I do think that both oral in term of recomp will have marginal effect with that much test...

however I remember your result with var and it was outstanding so it will certainly not slow you in your progress to add some.

Tbol I have no first hand experience so I cant speak of his efficiency yet.


I think oral would be overkill but then again you aim for recomp(overall) and you cant overkill on recomp XD

your cycle, your choice.
At your place I would be curious to.see with just high test.
but adding oral will br a nice icing on the cake.

and about NAC I believe it is a unecessary precaution...
liver toxicity for most is highly exagerated. But it certainly cant hurt.

Yeah I see you point, I am just apprehensive about going with that much test after only 2 cycles. 200-250 eod with oral could produce pretty good results since I'm still getting good gains without a huge amount of test. Hoping some other vets chime in on this one

[qscgugcsq]

the thing is..
gaining muscle is easy...
you have enough food and enough anabolics in and you grow...
thats it...

so 500mg can get you pretty damn big...

if you try to cut you need fewer anabolics caude you just want to spare muscle...

but if you wanna do both... you need enoug anabolics to make you gain mass while in a deficit...
that needs more gear.

recomp is harder so to make it worth it you need to gain enough muscle and lose enough fat. therefor 500mg might not cut it depending on your size.

the body is constantly building/destroying muscle and losing/gsining fat.

when you eat you need to have enough hormone to make them build to make it worth it.
and when you dont eat you will prevent muscle lose and still need enough lipolysis to shred an appreciable amount of fat.

does it make sense??

you can get away with 500mg but more is better for that goal and method.

[sixfootseven]

Yeah makes a lot of sense. May be why my last recomp didn't go as well as I'd hoped. I only ran 150mg eod prop

[sixfootseven]

Bump

[qscgugcsq]

there also a way to time(in a weeks;time frame) to maximise recomp...

i dont remember the proper process but Ill get refresh and come back to you.

[qscgugcsq]

http://youtu.be/cFowOExixPE

how to diet while trying to recomp.

there is also a part two where he talks about training.

there is no broscience in what he says.
its scientific based information.
you can trust those.

if you manage to follow that kind a diet then you will succeed in what so many have screwed...

good luck

[sixfootseven]

Thnx man.

A lot of what he says makes sense, would probably follow that advice with a tweak here and there to fit my needs.

For instance my delts dont seem to grow at all with compounds alone, i need a lot of high rep iso stuff to get it done

[zempey]

I know you don't have a lot of cycles under your belt, but low dose tren e will cut you like a mofo when added to the test. It is perfect for gaining on a deficit, I leaned out like crazy while gaining size and shape at only 200mg/week with 600mg test.

[uhit]

I know you don't have a lot of cycles under your belt, but low dose tren e will cut you like a mofo when added to the test. It is perfect for gaining on a deficit, I leaned out like crazy while gaining size and shape at only 200mg/week with 600mg test.

You gained whilst on a deficit?

Damn Im intrigued about this drug lol

[zempey]

I was losing overall weight but my muscles were getting bigger. I wasn't dieting really, just not eating many carbs, mostly meats and veggies. I was blown away by the results from that tren e, I will be doing it again this summer but will be in a much better starting position than last year.

[qscgugcsq]

you already know my stance on cycling and 19nor...

but yes tren would suit your goal.

but I dont know much about tren and drug test...

As far as I know metabolite of tren can be found several.months after last injection...
just saying

[zempey]

Ya, you def want to look into that, cause decca is a 19 nor and it is in the system for a loooong time.

[sixfootseven]

Damn tren sounds badass. But yeah probably wont ever use it unless i find myself on trt. Not worth the possible risks

[zempey]

What are you tested for? Sports?

[sixfootseven]

Yeah which is why im waiting until after the season. As far as risks im talking about the possibility of being permanently shut down after a tren cycle

[sixfootseven]

So here is what I'm thinking now:

Test Prop 300 mg eod week 1-10
Anavar 100 mg ed week 1-6
TBol 50 mg ed week 4-10
albuterol and t3 with keto week 1-4 (still working out the dosages etc.)
NAC 1200 mg/day week 1-10
hcg week 1-10
dex .25 eod week 1-10
I got some gyro-like symptoms (puffy nips) last time I ran prop so probably nolva 20 mg/day week 1-10
then pct

[zempey]

You could be permanently shut down from anything, not just tren.

[zempey]

Just keep an eye on the symptoms, might need to bump up the adex if symptoms arise. I am prone so I run nolva all the time, plus I run higher doses of dex or stane, what ever one I am using.

[sixfootseven]

You could be permanently shut down from anything, not just tren.

Yeah can't argue with you there, but I have just been warned so heavily about tren. I guess I owe it to myself to do some real digging of my own on the matter

Just keep an eye on the symptoms, might need to bump up the adex if symptoms arise. I am prone so I run nolva all the time, plus I run higher doses of dex or stane, what ever one I am using.

ok thnx man. Yeah my prior cycle I ran stane and no puffy nips, then last time I ran adex (which is what I have on hand) and I got some symptoms.

[zempey]

I had bunk adex and my gyno exploded after the second week, been playing catch up ever since.

[qscgugcsq]

So here is what I'm thinking now:

Test Prop 300 mg eod week 1-10
Anavar 100 mg ed week 1-6
TBol 50 mg ed week 4-10
albuterol and t3 with keto week 1-4 (still working out the dosages etc.)
NAC 1200 mg/day week 1-10
hcg week 1-10
dex .25 eod week 1-10
I got some gyro-like symptoms (puffy nips) last time I ran prop so probably nolva 20 mg/day week 1-10
then pct

I would go with dex at .5 EOD or .25 ED keep in mind that you use high test dose...
and to be honest arimidex is quite hard to overdose...(ran 1mg/day(pharma) on 250mg test for few weeks and was still in range on the low end but in range.)

you aiming for a recomp so albuterol/T3 isnt that important...

you are no trying to get to 5% bodyfat... right???

other wise it seems good. if diet is on point youll recomp nicely.

[sixfootseven]

I would go with dex at .5 EOD or .25 ED keep in mind that you use high test dose...
and to be honest arimidex is quite hard to overdose...(ran 1mg/day(pharma) on 250mg test for few weeks and was still in range on the low end but in range.)

you aiming for a recomp so albuterol/T3 isnt that important...

you are no trying to get to 5% bodyfat... right???

other wise it seems good. if diet is on point youll recomp nicely.

Yea ill run the adex a little higher. Thing is i usually cut quick so i was thinking w the albut/t3 w a recomp diet i may cut enough fat in the first few weeks to where i can just focus on building muscle for the final 6 or 7 weeks

[qscgugcsq]

seems good you know better than anyone how your body react.

[sixfootseven]

Yeah I have used albuterol a lot with good results, but never T-3. What do you usually run it at?

[qscgugcsq]

depends on gow you react...

I personnally dont feel.much out of T3 except increased hunger(which is not a good thing for me XD)

start at 50mcg.

always keep an eye on your Blood pressure and rest heart beat.

A friend reach over 120bpm at rest on T3...
if you mix.it with albuterol.expect 90-100bpm at rest.
blood pressure under 140/90 is good wih this compound(even if I rather not go over 130...)
thats why cialis comes into play ...

if your hunger is undercontrol, you can increase to 75mcg and so on until you reach 100mcg...
there is no need to go over 100mcg which is already a big dose...

Blood pressure #1 if it goes out of wack do something.
if hunger go out of control step back the T3.

it acts pretty quickly so if within 3-4 days you feel ok then it is probably ok

good luck

[sixfootseven]

Ok thnx man, will Viagra work?

[zempey]

I felt nothing from 50mcg of T3.

[sixfootseven]

What dose did you go to?

btw the liquid tbol I have isn't label, but my source said it was for sure tbol. I have ordered a lamb to be sure, but what if it is dbol or anadrol? Can I use those in any way with this cycle?

[qscgugcsq]

of course but youll se more water retention than with tbol you wont get fatter and at best gaining a bit slightly more muscle but you will lose definition.

[sixfootseven]

Ok fair enough, well i hope its tbol. My wallet is already thin from the test and var i'll be running. Still need t3/ket/albut as well

[zempey]

I only ran it at 50mcg.

[sixfootseven]

I only ran it at 50mcg.

Hmm ? Some people dont react to it for whatever reason, so theres that

[zempey]

Maybe if I had upped the dose it might have done something, I was just taking it cause I had it and was a little higher bf when I stated my cycle. It may have helped some, I just didn't feel anything.

[sixfootseven]

Maybe if I had upped the dose it might have done something, I was just taking it cause I had it and was a little higher bf when I stated my cycle. It may have helped some, I just didn't feel anything.

Yeah, may have been under-dosed as well who knows

[zempey]

I am a big guy too 6'6" 270+ so I might have needed more to feel the effects. I wanted albuterol to go with it but couldn't get it, my try clen this summer and get more t3. I want to get jacked and shredded before I get too old, this is the summer for me to try and pull it off.