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    How important is it to have this? I'm getting ready to start my first cycle of test-c but I can't find this stuff anywhere!!!

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    Check the site sponsor.and not important if you want ed, high bp, heart attack lol

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    If you read the sticky "Planning and executing my first cycle" you will understand how important it is to have AI.

    AI is sold in any pharma.

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    An AI is very important. If I didn't use an AI while on a test and d-bol cycle, I would have man boobs, be bloated to the shit house, be really tired and have high blood pressure.

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    Coming to the end of 2nd cycle and I've not used AI once , no issues at all, test e only at 750 a week.
    Everyone is different and will respond differently to drugs, I'm 20% bf @240lbs (powerlifter) and test e has given me no issues, just loads of strength
    Have it on hand incase you get any sides, like I say not everyone is in the same boat.

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    Such a science now, when I first cycled it was just test

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    Quote Originally Posted by bifda
    Coming to the end of 2nd cycle and I've not used AI once , no issues at all, test e only at 750 a week. Everyone is different and will respond differently to drugs, I'm 20% bf @240lbs (powerlifter) and test e has given me no issues, just loads of strength Have it on hand incase you get any sides, like I say not everyone is in the same boat.
    This is kind of like saying 'don't bother wearing a seatbelt because not everyone will be in a car accident '

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    Quote Originally Posted by bifda View Post
    Coming to the end of 2nd cycle and I've not used AI once , no issues at all, test e only at 750 a week.
    Everyone is different and will respond differently to drugs, I'm 20% bf @240lbs (powerlifter) and test e has given me no issues, just loads of strength
    Have it on hand incase you get any sides, like I say not everyone is in the same boat.
    No issues that you cared, or you have bloodwork to backup your statement?

    Do you know the potential side effects of high E2?
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    Is the AI also an IM injection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfknight
    Is the AI also an IM injection?
    no you drink it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    No issues that you cared, or you have bloodwork to backup your statement?

    Do you know the potential side effects of high E2?
    Strongman/powerlifters typically do this, not running an AI and running high test, as estradiol might give a marginal boost to strength.
    Still very controversial as to whether it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cucu View Post
    Strongman/powerlifters typically do this, not running an AI and running high test, as estradiol might give a marginal boost to strength.
    Still very controversial as to whether it's worth it.
    To the elite athletes doing it it's not even a question as to whether or not it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    To the elite athletes doing it it's not even a question as to whether or not it's worth it.
    Well, if it isn't a question of whether it's worth it or not, then it won't be marginal and it must have been proven effective by studies.
    So, to what extent exactly does it help and what studies do we have to support this claim, that strength gains are not marginal and are extensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cucu View Post
    Well, if it isn't a question of whether it's worth it or not, then it won't be marginal and it must have been proven effective by studies.
    So, to what extent exactly does it help and what studies do we have to support this claim, that strength gains are not marginal and are extensive?
    You misread what I wrote. I never said the effect was greater than marginal but at the elite level of strength, marginal is the difference between getting 1st place and not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    You misread what I wrote. I never said the effect was greater than marginal but at the elite level of strength, marginal is the difference between getting 1st place and not.
    Thank you for your answer, for misread I might have. Still, where can data be found on the minimal or otherwise added effect of estradiol? That was what I was asking and it had been an honest question.
    Additionaly my point on it's "worthiness to bother" had to do with adverse side effects. And by that I mean not gynecomastia . A boost in strength is non-important when your head ends up exploding because your BP is 300/200.
    Someone who is not bothered by that is not an athlete, even with the dilated meaning being an athlete has with steroid use .
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    Not to mention doubling the risk of stroke, increasing the risk of CVD and heart attacks. "Have it on hand?" Negative. Use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Not to mention doubling the risk of stroke, increasing the risk of CVD and heart attacks. "Have it on hand?" Negative. Use it.
    Agreed often the symptoms that are most dangerous are the ones you dont see or feel. Again- use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by cucu View Post
    Thank you for your answer, for misread I might have. Still, where can data be found on the minimal or otherwise added effect of estradiol? That was what I was asking and it had been an honest question.
    Additionaly my point on it's "worthiness to bother" had to do with adverse side effects. And by that I mean not gynecomastia . A boost in strength is non-important when your head ends up exploding because your BP is 300/200.
    Someone who is not bothered by that is not an athlete, even with the dilated meaning being an athlete has with steroid use.
    It's not estradiol specifically they're looking for. They're looking for that extra pound or two, or even more in many cases, of hydration/water retention. It just so happens that by stopping your AI and letting estradiol to up that you tend to hold more water.

    You make a good point about the side effects but to my knowledge, most don't train all the time without an AI although it'd be foolish to think this the case for everyone. Typically they'll drop the AI a few days or so before a competition. I think it a little ridiculous to assume one's head will explode from a temporary increase in water and E2.

    By definition, to me at least, an elite athlete is one who plans his life around his sport not the other way around. They do so at the risk of health problems arising, family issues, etc etc. They're goal is to win. Period. Health is a distant second or worse as far as concerns come. You may not agree with it but that's perfectly fine. You may not benefit from dropping your AI leadin up to a meet but that's fine too. To those that it does matter, they do it to get an edge and it can give an edge when you end up weighing a few pounds more than your closest competition.

    Edit* for the record I'm not advising anyone to drop their AI while on a blast. Most people here are recreational lifters and users. For them the risks more than likely outweigh the rewards and health is a primary concern of theirs. I'm using adex right now on my cycle but you can bet money that 3-5days before my PL meet I will be dropping that adex to gain every advantage I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    It's not estradiol specifically they're looking for. They're looking for that extra pound or two, or even more in many cases, of hydration/water retention. It just so happens that by stopping your AI and letting estradiol to up that you tend to hold more water.

    You make a good point about the side effects but to my knowledge, most don't train all the time without an AI although it'd be foolish to think this the case for everyone. Typically they'll drop the AI a few days or so before a competition. I think it a little ridiculous to assume one's head will explode from a temporary increase in water and E2.

    By definition, to me at least, an elite athlete is one who plans his life around his sport not the other way around. They do so at the risk of health problems arising, family issues, etc etc. They're goal is to win. Period. Health is a distant second or worse as far as concerns come. You may not agree with it but that's perfectly fine. You may not benefit from dropping your AI leadin up to a meet but that's fine too. To those that it does matter, they do it to get an edge and it can give an edge when you end up weighing a few pounds more than your closest competition.

    Edit* for the record I'm not advising anyone to drop their AI while on a blast. Most people here are recreational lifters and users. For them the risks more than likely outweigh the rewards and health is a primary concern of theirs. I'm using adex right now on my cycle but you can bet money that 3-5days before my PL meet I will be dropping that adex to gain every advantage I can.
    Noted, but what does a pound or two does then, if not enabling to lift more? A pound of water does not lift..

    The exploding head was obviously a metaphor, but as metaphors go, quite a literal one; elevated BP can lead to haemorhagic strokes, or otherwise put not your head, but vessels inside your head exploding.

    Lastly, I wasn't criticizing anyone, although I would certainly not do that. But in my book athletes are about the sport, fitness, well-being while they can certainly be champions. The steroid community is a silly place to say that ofourse, but still you cannot sacrifice your health so blatantly for an extra pound in the deadlift.. Well, at least I wouldn't, everyone else can make their own decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfknight View Post
    How important is it to have this? I'm getting ready to start my first cycle of test-c but I can't find this stuff anywhere!!!
    I think it is very important,,,I wont run a AAS cycle without one these days.
    I look better,,feel better and sides are non existent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cucu View Post
    Noted, but what does a pound or two does then, if not enabling to lift more? A pound of water does not lift..

    The exploding head was obviously a metaphor, but as metaphors go, quite a literal one; elevated BP can lead to haemorhagic strokes, or otherwise put not your head, but vessels inside your head exploding.

    Lastly, I wasn't criticizing anyone, although I would certainly not do that. But in my book athletes are about the sport, fitness, well-being while they can certainly be champions. The steroid community is a silly place to say that ofourse, but still you cannot sacrifice your health so blatantly for an extra pound in the deadlift.. Well, at least I wouldn't, everyone else can make their own decision.
    A pound of water does not lift but you're looking at it in the wrong light. Your squat and bench press are affected the most by increases in body mass, regardless of If it's muscle or not, although muscle mass would obviously be significantly more beneficial. Deadlifts are not affected as much. At the very least the increased water bloat in your midsection will give you a larger stomach to bounce off your quads in the bottom of the squat or a bigger chest to shorten ROM for your bench. Powerlifting isn't solely about strength, it's about moving the most weight. Strength is the most important factor but leverages, form tweaks or increased water weight in this case that can reduce ROM so the weights have less distance to move, etc all play a part. Also after having to spoken to several ppl I find have invaluable info on the topic, they tend to notice less injuries while holding more water and working with high intensities although this is purely anecdotal as far as I know.

    How likely is your hypothetical scenario to happen considering all the factors? Your E2 and BP are only going to go up temporarily. The days leading up to the meet when you'd be dropping the AI are rest and active recovery days not hard training days.

    I know you weren't really criticizing anyone and I respect your choice to never want to do it. And that's where the discord comes in. The top level athletes don't care about well being like most other people do. How many top running backs in the NFL try to go back in after a concussion vs ones that ask to stay sidelined? How many boxers see stars after a dead on hit to the head and fight to stay in the ring vs throw in the towel? The examples are endless the only difference between the general athlete you're talking about and the top level I'm talking about is the commitment to their sport at the expense of everything else. I'm not here to praise them for their decision nor am I here to look down on them. It is what it is and that's what they do to be called the best at their sport. Like I said, I've always recommended people run their AI on a cycle but that doesn't mean I can't understand why one would drop it in certain, specific, situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post

    A pound of water does not lift but you're looking at it in the wrong light. Your squat and bench press are affected the most by increases in body mass, regardless of If it's muscle or not, although muscle mass would obviously be significantly more beneficial. Deadlifts are not affected as much. At the very least the increased water bloat in your midsection will give you a larger stomach to bounce off your quads in the bottom of the squat or a bigger chest to shorten ROM for your bench. Powerlifting isn't solely about strength, it's about moving the most weight. Strength is the most important factor but leverages, form tweaks or increased water weight in this case that can reduce ROM so the weights have less distance to move, etc all play a part. Also after having to spoken to several ppl I find have invaluable info on the topic, they tend to notice less injuries while holding more water and working with high intensities although this is purely anecdotal as far as I know.

    How likely is your hypothetical scenario to happen considering all the factors? Your E2 and BP are only going to go up temporarily. The days leading up to the meet when you'd be dropping the AI are rest and active recovery days not hard training days.

    I know you weren't really criticizing anyone and I respect your choice to never want to do it. And that's where the discord comes in. The top level athletes don't care about well being like most other people do. How many top running backs in the NFL try to go back in after a concussion vs ones that ask to stay sidelined? How many boxers see stars after a dead on hit to the head and fight to stay in the ring vs throw in the towel? The examples are endless the only difference between the general athlete you're talking about and the top level I'm talking about is the commitment to their sport at the expense of everything else. I'm not here to praise them for their decision nor am I here to look down on them. It is what it is and that's what they do to be called the best at their sport. Like I said, I've always recommended people run their AI on a cycle but that doesn't mean I can't understand why one would drop it in certain, specific, situations.
    I agree with Doc. Your muscles are basically water bags and in terms of strength from a PL point of view you either get stronger from your technique or additional weight. Creatine for example is so helpful by allowing more spring in your reps which in turn makes the contraction much more effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    A pound of water does not lift but you're looking at it in the wrong light. Your squat and bench press are affected the most by increases in body mass, regardless of If it's muscle or not, although muscle mass would obviously be significantly more beneficial. Deadlifts are not affected as much. At the very least the increased water bloat in your midsection will give you a larger stomach to bounce off your quads in the bottom of the squat or a bigger chest to shorten ROM for your bench. Powerlifting isn't solely about strength, it's about moving the most weight. Strength is the most important factor but leverages, form tweaks or increased water weight in this case that can reduce ROM so the weights have less distance to move, etc all play a part. Also after having to spoken to several ppl I find have invaluable info on the topic, they tend to notice less injuries while holding more water and working with high intensities although this is purely anecdotal as far as I know.
    Thank you, that was very informative.
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