Starting first tren cycle on monday any advice?

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:11 AM

Hey guys im new here, im starting my first tren cycle on monday

I will be running Tren Acetate 120mg/mL Anadrol 1-5 or 6 weeks and the Tren from 1-8

Tren - 0.5mL for the first 3 weeks need advice on when to do injections for best results. was thinking mon n friday then 1ml for the remainder

Anadrol 1 tablet every day for 5-6 weeks

What are your guys thoughts on this ?

**noballs25** · 03-10-2015, 10:13 AM

Are you running test as a base?

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:16 AM

No just tren and anadrol

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by noballs25

Are you running test as a base?

No just tren ace and anadrol

**uhit** · 03-10-2015, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

No just tren and anadrol

It's recommended to throw in some test into the mix so you can still function like a man... ergo, still use your friend down there.

Tren and anadrol are seriously taxing compounds to your HPTA.

Also, if you can get your hands on some hcg that'll be helpful.

Finally, do you have something to counter the prolactin effects of tren? Something like caber could work.

**noballs25** · 03-10-2015, 10:19 AM

You need to run test

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by uhit

It's recommended to throw in some test into the mix so you can still function like a man... ergo, still use your friend down there.

Tren and anadrol are seriously taxing compounds to your HPTA.

Also, if you can get your hands on some hcg that'll be helpful.

Finally, do you have something to counter the prolactin effects of tren? Something like caber could work.

this may sound stupid, but here we go anyway, I'm only 18 so my test levels are pretty much through the roof i guess i do understand that the gear will change all that as for caber how much would you generally look at for price?

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by noballs25

You need to run test

need to or should?

**uhit** · 03-10-2015, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

this may sound stupid, but here we go anyway, I'm only 18 so my test levels are pretty much through the roof i guess i do understand that the gear will change all that as for caber how much would you generally look at for price?

Yeah you have high natural test. But that natural test, no matter how high it is will be non existant once you introduce tren and anadrol into your system as I said earlier it shuts down the HPTA system.
That's why we all use test as a base, because we cannot produce it natural when using exogenous hormones.

And price for caber vary from source to source. I can't say for sure because we can't discuss it here as it is against the rules. Perhaps you can hold onto your gear that you have and do some more research, the risks, the rewards etc. Prepare yourself for every possible situation and then hop on. At 18 you got all the time in the world bro, no need to rush things already by using gear.

Mind giving us more stats so we can help better?

Weight
Height
Body fat %
Training experience
Goals

**NACH3** · 03-10-2015, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

need to or should?

NEED TO! Is this your first cycle? At your age your playing a dangerous game w/your un matured HPTA which down the road can leave you w/permanent damage!

Your test is thru the roof atm... But if you inj w/out test... WhT happens is you are completely shut down both testicularly(hence hCG ) and at the pituitary!

If you don't understand this I suggest you start reading up on steroid use snd basic knowledge(at the top of this sec(and every sec) theyre are Stickies that will help you understand how and what and why these things can happen(it's far more advanced than you think)!

My advice is you have about 7 yrs to do some research b4 hopping on anything except food and water now... Diet and training will dictate your gains(oh and genetics)..,

GL Sbd please listen to the advice from the other members as well...

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by uhit

Yeah you have high natural test. But that natural test, no matter how high it is will be non existant once you introduce tren and anadrol into your system as I said earlier it shuts down the HPTA system.
That's why we all use test as a base, because we cannot produce it natural when using exogenous hormones.

And price for caber vary from source to source. I can't say for sure because we can't discuss it here as it is against the rules. Perhaps you can hold onto your gear that you have and do some more research, the risks, the rewards etc. Prepare yourself for every possible situation and then hop on. At 18 you got all the time in the world bro, no need to rush things already by using gear.

Mind giving us more stats so we can help better?

Weight
Height
Body fat %
Training experience
Goals

you make some great points bro i probably will push it back another couple weeks to do a little more research and get liver guard and everything in place,
As for the tren dose what do you think of that for a first cycle of tren? effective?

stats

weight: 168 pounds
Body fat 13%
Heigh just over 5 ft
training exp - 17 months
Goals are Aesthetic Lean body ( most goals of males my age and most ages )

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

NEED TO! Is this your first cycle? At your age your playing a dangerous game w/your un matured HPTA which down the road can leave you w/permanent damage!

Your test is thru the roof atm... But if you inj w/out test... WhT happens is you are completely shut down both testicularly(hence hCG ) and at the pituitary!

If you don't understand this I suggest you start reading up on steroid use snd basic knowledge(at the top of this sec(and every sec) theyre are Stickies that will help you understand how and what and why these things can happen(it's far more advanced than you think)!

My advice is you have about 7 yrs to do some research b4 hopping on anything except food and water now... Diet and training will dictate your gains(oh and genetics)..,

GL Sbd please listen to the advice from the other members as well...

cheers mate, NOT trying to insult your intelligence or say your info is wrong or anything just saying i have a mate who is 23 now did his first cycle at 20 TREN ONLY pretty sure it wasn't tren ace either it was like ethenate or something like that, i personally think he's an idiot for just running tren, he told me he had 10% sex drive whilst on the gear but after the cycle only a 6 week cycle ( he got amazing results though ) he took PCT and everything was back to normal still makes gains, test levels back to normal ( has had them checked ) Is this just luck or ?

**lovbyts** · 03-10-2015, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

this may sound stupid, but here we go anyway, I'm only 18 so my test levels are pretty much through the roof i guess i do understand that the gear will change all that as for caber how much would you generally look at for price?

Yup it sounds stupid. You have NO idea what you are doing. Pros who run tren with no test for show prep know they will have NO libido. Meaning Mr wiggly will onky be good for kissing through.

Running any type of aas at your age can seriously damage your HPTA and again Jr aint go a work. There are many other reasons not to do what you are planning but I suspect you will anyways because at 18 you already know everything. At 19 you will be back asking for help like the countless before you.

OMG your mate is 23, thats ancient. LoL. Has he told you abiut his ED yet? Has anyone told you they have ED? Guess what? No one has ever told me either but for some reason viagra and cialis are the number one prescribed drugs out ther.

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Yup it sounds stupid. You have NO idea what you are doing. Pros who run tren with no test for show prep know they will have NO libido. Meaning Mr wiggly will onky be good for kissing through.

Running any type of aas at your age can seriously damage your HPTA and again Jr aint go a work. There are many other reasons not to do what you are planning but I suspect you will anyways because at 18 you already know everything. At 19 you will be back asking for help like the countless before you.

what if i were to run say Test E with it? at 500mg per week

**uhit** · 03-10-2015, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

you make some great points bro i probably will push it back another couple weeks to do a little more research and get liver guard and everything in place,
As for the tren dose what do you think of that for a first cycle of tren? effective?

stats

weight: 168 pounds
Body fat 13%
Heigh just over 5 ft
training exp - 17 months
Goals are Aesthetic Lean body ( most goals of males my age and most ages )

I'll let someone more experienced comment on your stats since I have no idea if being 168lbs at 5ft is possible naturally while being at 13% (from what I've seen anyway)

In relation to the tren, if this is your first cycle you won't know for sure what problems which drug will cause as you'll essentially be using 3 different compounds. That's why a good idea is to run a test e cycle, then pct + time off and then if so desired on your next cycle add in more compounds.

But to answer your question it's not uncommon practice to see dosages go from around 200 - 300mg of tren ace per week, which equates to about 50mg - 75mg eod. The side effects you get vary individual to individual and obviously dose dependent. Tren is a compound which even at minimal doses will provide great results as long as your training and diet are in check.

Originally Posted by ethan1078

what if i were to run say Test E with it? at 500mg per week

At the end of the day, what you do is up to you. However we will advice you, and as such it is not a good idea to dive in at such a young age.

However, assuming you want to gain knowledge then yes 500mg per week is fine for test e.

But I highly insist you listen to lovbyts because he's been in the game for a long time and has seen it all.

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by uhit

I'll let someone more experienced comment on your stats since I have no idea if being 168lbs at 5ft is possible naturally while being at 13% (from what I've seen anyway)

In relation to the tren , if this is your first cycle you won't know for sure what problems which drug will cause as you'll essentially be using 3 different compounds. That's why a good idea is to run a test e cycle, then pct + time off and then if so desired on your next cycle add in more compounds.

But to answer your question it's not uncommon practice to see dosages go from around 200 - 300mg of tren ace per week, which equates to about 50mg - 75mg eod. The side effects you get vary individual to individual and obviously dose dependent. Tren is a compound which even at minimal doses will provide great results as long as your training and diet are in check.

Hope I have been of help, post any more queries and i'll try to answer them

Estimated height unable to check at the moment sorry

But this is my first Tren cycle, i have done a Test E Cycle before results were pretty shitty due to my test being high already, did gain 6kg about 1.5kg was water weight

ALSO EOD? i know it means every other day, what is every other day exactly?

**lovbyts** · 03-10-2015, 10:42 AM

Read the sticky at the top of the page that says the young and steroids .

No dont run test with it. No one should use tren their first cycle. Did you learn to drive in a Ferrari?

You are on the fast road to permanently damaging yourself and you man not even realize it for months or years.

**uhit** · 03-10-2015, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

Estimated height unable to check at the moment sorry

But this is my first Tren cycle, i have done a Test E Cycle before results were pretty shitty due to my test being high already, did gain 6kg about 1.5kg was water weight

ALSO EOD? i know it means every other day, what is every other day exactly?

EoD = M/W/F/S <--- week 1
T/Th/S <---- week 2

Sorry if I misunderstood, I assumed this was your first cycle.
The test e cycle should have given good gains seeing as if you were to say hypothetically have around 500mg of test a week that'll throw your levels to the 3,000nl rather than what it is now naturally (high imo is probably 800-1,000).

I suspect you didn't eat sufficient calories during the course of your cycle, hence the disappointment.

A bit shocked you've already completed a cycle at 18 tbh. Not the smartest approach.

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Read the sticky at the top of the page that says the young and steroids .

No dont run test with it. No one should use tren their first cycle. Did you learn to drive in a Ferrari?

You are on the fast road to permanently damaging yourself and you man not even realize it for months or years.

This is not my first cycle

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by uhit

EoD = M/W/F/S <--- week 1
T/Th/S <---- week 2

Sorry if I misunderstood, I assumed this was your first cycle.
The test e cycle should have given good gains seeing as if you were to say hypothetically have around 500mg of test a week that'll throw your levels to the 3,000nl rather than what it is now naturally (high imo is probably 800-1,000).

I suspect you didn't eat sufficient calories during the course of your cycle, hence the disappointment.

A bit shocked you've already completed a cycle at 18 tbh. Not the smartest approach.

Calories were up but was under alot of stress at the time so was burning through them like crazy

**lovbyts** · 03-10-2015, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

Estimated height unable to check at the moment sorry

But this is my first Tren cycle, i have done a Test E Cycle before results were pretty shitty due to my test being high already, did gain 6kg about 1.5kg was water weight

ALSO EOD? i know it means every other day, what is every other day exactly?

Your test results / cycle had nothing to do with your natural test because it was Jon existent during the cycle. It means your diet and or training sucked.

The more you talk the more you prove how little you know.

I bet you put more research into buying your last video game before you got it.

**lovbyts** · 03-10-2015, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

This is not my first cycle

My point exactly.

Im done

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Your test results / cycle had nothing to do with your natural test because it was Jon existent during the cycle. It means your diet and or training sucked.

The more you talk the more you prove how little you know.

I bet you put more research into buying your last video game before you got it.

You seem to like to jump down people's throats mate, have not done one thing to you im simply asking for advice, obviously im not a halfwit like the rest if i came here before my cycle which im glad i did, only way to learn is to ask questions or research, I'm doing it back so either just give me advice or go to another thread

**NACH3** · 03-10-2015, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

cheers mate, NOT trying to insult your intelligence or say your info is wrong or anything just saying i have a mate who is 23 now did his first cycle at 20 TREN ONLY pretty sure it wasn't tren ace either it was like ethenate or something like that, i personally think he's an idiot for just running tren, he told me he had 10% sex drive whilst on the gear but after the cycle only a 6 week cycle ( he got amazing results though ) he took PCT and everything was back to normal still makes gains, test levels back to normal ( has had them checked ) Is this just luck or ?

Ok... He's still wrong though... Just b/c it may have worked(like LB stated he probly never told you about his ED problems)...

And I can guarantee your not anywhere close to be running Tren (at 18 and arent ready for the "Tren train wreck"

We're just trying to keep you safe but if you go thru w/this you may end up back here asking wtf happened... Like many who do not listen and who were to young to begin with!

**uhit** · 03-10-2015, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

You seem to like to jump down people's throats mate, have not done one thing to you im simply asking for advice, obviously im not a halfwit like the rest if i came here before my cycle which im glad i did, only way to learn is to ask questions or research, I'm doing it back so either just give me advice or go to another thread

He's only saying it because he cares.
This is a board where we provide information so everyone can use safely with minimal risks. And at the moment your situation is quite risky. Don't take offence personally.

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Ok... He's still wrong though... Just b/c it may have worked(like LB stated he probly never told you about his ED problems)...

And I can guarantee your not anywhere close to be running Tren (at 18 and arent ready for the "Tren train wreck"

We're just trying to keep you safe but if you go thru w/this you may end up back here asking wtf happened... Like many who do not listen and who were to young to begin with!

Tren Train wreck? could you explain what you mean by that please

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by uhit

He's only saying it because he cares.
This is a board where we provide information so everyone can use safely with minimal risks. And at the moment your situation is quite risky. Don't take offence personally.

alrighty thats cool seems fair enough

**600@50** · 03-10-2015, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

You seem to like to jump down people's throats mate, have not done one thing to you im simply asking for advice, obviously im not a halfwit like the rest if i came here before my cycle which im glad i did, only way to learn is to ask questions or research, I'm doing it back so either just give me advice or go to another thread

In case you weren't listening the advice was to not do the cycle. Wait. Do research. Learn. OR RISK PERMANENT DAMAGE TO YOUR BODY. I don't know how it could be any plainer.

**NACH3** · 03-10-2015, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

Tren Train wreck? could you explain what you mean by that please

Yes don't take personally as LB is the one of the most knowledgable and respected members here... Like Uhit stated he's only trying to help(he's done more than both of us combined (by far I'm guessing)in his lifetime! So with experience comes wisdom!

Tren (500/500)is 5x more anabolic and androgenic than testosterone (100/100)... This can lead to many unwanted sides as it's also a Progestin!

It effects aggression(very much), your mental state, physically(good and bad if you don't know which ancilleries to run alongside)... These are just a few examples(there's a sticky ATONOMIS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TREN goes into detail about this compound...

chrck it out nau help you make the right decision!

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 11:00 AM

So obviously my dealer i get the gear off is just a dickhead who doesn't know all to much about roids bc he seems to think it'll be a great cycle and if i want to Sustanon 250 would improve results, ( which it would but i'd rather not)

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Yes don't take personally as LB is the one of the most knowledgable and respected members here... Like Uhit stated he's only trying to help(he's done more than both of us combined (by far I'm guessing)in his lifetime! So with experience comes wisdom!

Tren (500/500)is 5x more anabolic and androgenic than testosterone (100/100)... This can lead to many unwanted sides as it's also a Progestin!

It effects aggression(very much), your mental state, physically(good and bad if you don't know which ancilleries to run alongside)... These are just a few examples(there's a sticky ATONOMIS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TREN goes into detail about this compound...

chrck it out nau help you make the right decision!

last bit didn't make to much sense bro

**NACH3** · 03-10-2015, 11:03 AM

Exactly! They usually are dumber than sh*t tbh! And they're job is to convince you to buy the most expensive compounds(hence the importance of RESEARCH)!

**NACH3** · 03-10-2015, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

last bit didn't make to much sense bro

Check it out! READ IT!

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Check it out! READ IT!

alright man ill give it a read

**lovbyts** · 03-10-2015, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by ethan1078

So obviously my dealer i get the gear off is just a dickhead who doesn't know all to much about roids bc he seems to think it'll be a great cycle and if i want to Sustanon 250 would improve results, ( which it would but i'd rather not)

Google dealer and see what Wikipedia has to say about it. It doesn't matter what he is selling he has one agenda, to sell gear to you and will tell you everything you want to hear.

**Oki-Des** · 03-10-2015, 03:42 PM

You should understand that no one on here cares about anything other than trying to be safe. No one on here would ever suggest you do tren on a first cycle; under any circumstances. Second, no one on here would ever suggest you ignore your future and take steroids at your age. Of course you do not have to take test with your cycle. But you also never have to get an erection again and you never have to produce any natural test for the rest of your life. But, if you care about getting a boner, which I am sure you probably do, then you should think about listening to what people are telling you. If you do not care about your future then just do whatever you want. But you are the one that came on here and starting asking questions.
You are asking good questions but I do not think you like the answers. But the proper answers to your questions are not based on what you wish the answers were. They are based on experience. It is up to you what you do with them.
No matter what you decide you are not alone. I screwed myself up when I was your age and now spend more than $5K per year on getting boners and for trt. Yay! But, to spend $5K and pay taxes on that shit I have to make more than $7K with what I pay to the IRS too. I do not know how much you plan on making in your life, but I wish this information was available to me because I am probably going to spend more than a half a million dollars just to be able to screw and have normal test levels throughout my lifetime. I wish I was smart enough to just listen to some advice when I was young and be living in a much nicer house right now than thinking I knew it all when I was 19.
But, of course people have a big problem with learning from others mistakes. For some reason we have to make them on our own. It sucks, but good luck anyways.

**Bigjallday** · 03-10-2015, 04:48 PM

If it's 100% real tren u won't last 2 weeks at 120mg eod real tren= missurry horrible joint pain bad insomnia low endurance bad night sweats tren cough and if you're running tren alone say goodbye to your erections

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 06:45 PM

Okay so I've decided to do the test with it as well any recommended dosage ? Was thinking 500mg

**Bigjallday** · 03-10-2015, 06:54 PM

If u have to ask people on a forum your not ready your really willing to trust a bunch of strangers with your over all health and well being? Not a smart move u need to do more research on your own understanding side affects and kowing that there are real consequences to your actions it's not a game or a shortcut there is no reset button on life if u want my opinion u need to invest the money and hire a personal trainer for diet exercise planes and maybe a low tes only cycle

**ethan1078** · 03-10-2015, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bigjallday

If u have to ask people on a forum your not ready your really willing to trust a bunch of strangers with your over all health and well being? Not a smart move u need to do more research on your own understanding side affects and kowing that there are real consequences to your actions it's not a game or a shortcut there is no reset button on life if u want my opinion u need to invest the money and hire a personal trainer for diet exercise planes and maybe a low tes only cycle

i have done all that