Health concerns with caber/prami

**Bicep321** · 03-20-2015, 08:38 PM

Hello all,

I haven't ran tren yet but I probably will and I'm just thinking about what kind of future problems you could have when using caber. Could messing with your dopamine levels have long term effects? Mainly in your own dopamine production. Like does your body become reliant on dopamine agonists?

I'm really wondering because my father just got diagnosed with Parkinson's and it's a scary thought.

**EquilibriumZ** · 03-21-2015, 01:47 AM

You should be worrying more about what happens if you dont take them with tren cycle

**Bicep321** · 03-21-2015, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ

You should be worrying more about what happens if you dont take them with tren cycle

Oh no doubt. I wouldn't run tren without it. At that point I wouldn't run tren all together

**NACH3** · 03-21-2015, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bicep321

Oh no doubt. I wouldn't run tren without it. At that point I wouldn't run tren all together

^^^ there's defo a need for it... If you/or anyone can't keep your/their E2 in check(not just in range - in your sweetspot) then prolactin issues would be at a minimum... But if not your prolac will rise outta control, in which case you would NEED to take a DA!

The only way to know for sure is w/BW! Get your Pre/mid/post PCT(6-8 wks after PCT meds cease...

It's best to take a DA then not... If you don't like stated above you should be worrying about NOT taking one...

**wellshii** · 10-09-2015, 06:34 PM

To chiome in,have you got checked before hand? A lot of these neurological disorders are genetic,

**Ashop** · 10-09-2015, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Bicep321

Hello all,

I haven't ran tren yet but I probably will and I'm just thinking about what kind of future problems you could have when using caber. Could messing with your dopamine levels have long term effects? Mainly in your own dopamine production. Like does your body become reliant on dopamine agonists?

I'm really wondering because my father just got diagnosed with Parkinson's and it's a scary thought.

You will only need very small amounts so I think it would be highly unlikely to cause any permanent issues.

**Mr.BB** · 10-09-2015, 10:28 PM

Well, caber is not a parkinson medication, it is used mostly for prolactin supression.
It is mostly used by women when they want to stop breast feeding, so it is quite safe for us to use.
Prami is the parkinson medication and has a lot of more side effects.

**jimmyinkedup** · 10-09-2015, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Well, caber is not a parkinson medication, it is used mostly for prolactin supression.
It is mostly used by women when they want to stop breast feeding, so it is quite safe for us to use.
Prami is the parkinson medication and has a lot of more side effects.

Actually prami is primarily prescribed for restlesss leg syndrome, not parkinsons.

**NACH3** · 10-10-2015, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Actually prami is primarily prescribed for restlesss leg syndrome, not parkinsons.

Yep... I believe the standard dosing protocol is higher than what our needs for it would be... I've read 1-2.5mgs

Plus it's the better DA as its effect on the D3 receptor site thus giving a better result in the libido department... And make sexual function

**jimmyinkedup** · 10-10-2015, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Yep... I believe the standard dosing protocol is higher than what our needs for it would be... I've read 1-2.5mgs

Plus it's the better DA as its effect on the D3 receptor site thus giving a better result in the libido department... And make sexual function

I remember reading this somewhere ;-)

**NACH3** · 10-10-2015, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I remember reading this somewhere ;-)

Funny b/c I do too

- LOL

**NACH3** · 10-10-2015, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Funny b/c I do too

- LOL

I do remember quite a bit of your posts regarding Prami(& ancillaries period) ... Seems the prami works well for US both

**jimmyinkedup** · 10-10-2015, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

I do remember quite a bit of your posts regarding Prami(& ancillaries period) ... Seems the prami works well for US both

Yeah I love it. I have to consciously stop myself from continuing to use it when my cycle ends. I love the effects of it but I also know it is not prudent to take a dopamine agonist for extended periods of time. It can seriously screw up the neurological rewards system and you can end up dealing with an unpleasant situation that may need to be treated for the rest of your life.
Now this would never occur at the normal dosages and duration that we use prami for but if one was to continue to take it simply because of the "benefits" this is something that could definitely become an issue.

**NACH3** · 10-10-2015, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Yeah I love it. I have to consciously stop myself from continuing to use it when my cycle ends. I love the effects of it but I also know it is not prudent to take a dopamine agonist for extended periods of time. It can seriously screw up the neurological rewards system and you can end up dealing with an unpleasant situation that may need to be treated for the rest of your life.
Now this would never occur at the normal dosages and duration that we use prami for but if one was to continue to take it simply because of the "benefits" this is something that could definitely become an issue.

Interesting... Me too - I felt like using it after my last cycle too! Lol - idk if this happened to you - but it actually brought on RLS... After discontinuing it?! Weird and my sleep wasn't nearly as good -

With your cycles I'm guessing you always run some form of a 19nor - as I would now... Do you use the full 1mg once cycle is in full swing - effect?! Or confirm w/BW...

**jimmyinkedup** · 10-10-2015, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Interesting... Me too - I felt like using it after my last cycle too! Lol - idk if this happened to you - but it actually brought on RLS... After discontinuing it?! Weird and my sleep wasn't nearly as good -

With your cycles I'm guessing you always run some form of a 19nor - as I would now... Do you use the full 1mg once cycle is in full swing - effect?! Or confirm w/BW...

I run deca at some dose every cycle. It seems like the only time I even need to incorporate prami anymore is when I run deca (and test of course) with a moderate to high dose of tren .
Even with that cycle I never need to go over .5mg prami/day. I have come to this dosage conclusion with multiple mid cycle bloods when running said cycle.

**NACH3** · 10-10-2015, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I run deca at some dose every cycle. It seems like the only time I even need to incorporate prami anymore is when I run deca (and test of course) with a moderate to high dose of tren .
Even with that cycle I never need to go over .5mg prami/day. I have come to this dosage conclusion with multiple mid cycle bloods when running said cycle.

Idk if this makes sense... Can one lower PRO levels too much, like E2? I've not really heard this talked about - if there's any type of negative sides from this?!

**jimmyinkedup** · 10-10-2015, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Idk if this makes sense... Can one lower PRO levels too much, like E2? I've not really heard this talked about - if there's any type of negative sides from this?!

It sure does make sense and ironically just like e2 high and low PRL levels have similar sides. The most common ansd prevalent shared side being sexual dysfunction! So yes low PRl can have adverse sides as well!

**NACH3** · 10-10-2015, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

It sure does make sense and ironically just like e2 high and low PRL levels have similar sides. The most common ansd prevalent shared side being sexual dysfunction! So yes low PRl can have adverse sides as well!

I had thought so... Thx for confirming