Lets say you take test-e for 6 weeks 500mg, do you (HTPA) recover faster than if you took test-e for 6 weeks but 2G? Or it will be the same regardless of dosage?
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Lets say you take test-e for 6 weeks 500mg, do you (HTPA) recover faster than if you took test-e for 6 weeks but 2G? Or it will be the same regardless of dosage?
Running test E for 6 weeks is stupid. Pretty much when it would be kicking in. You'd be doing a PCT and would be a waste. There's no way of really knowing. Just that your HPTA is done maturing around 25.
BW is the only way of really knowing... But I will say one has a better shot at recovering from a 6-8 wk cycle then they do w/a longer standard 12 wk cycle(but if you were to run a short cycle, it'd be in your best interest to run a shorter ester(test propionate/acetate/etc)...
Unless your doing a "short burst cycling(which is only a very advanced protocol) for seasoned users(or pro's etc)! DO NOT TRY THIS IF YOU ARE A MODERATE USER(mostly the likes except for advanced competitors and such)!
I m talking about dosage with respect to being shutdown. You take it for same amount of the other one but the dosages are 500mg and 3G or more
Does it change the time it takes for HTPA to recover? Has there been a study or any one have experience on this?
Ya that i agree, but what if both cycles are same time, same compounds, one has 3-4 times the dosage. Does that make a difference in HTPA recover? I know it does make a difference in sideeffectsQuote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
I know! Yes you'll be shut down just hard on 6 wks than whatever length your thinking(say 12 wks it longer)... But like I said its always a better chance that you'll recover faster w/ shorter cycles(hence their popularity now a days)...Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
I can't link you to a study(on mobile and don't know how lol) but there's been threads on it here(Sbd if I'm not mistaken a sticky saying the same)...
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Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
I was writing the same time you were...:)
In Marcus' stickie on Short burst cycling, it touches on that a tad... I would still think(that a 30 day cycle - short burst) you would actually still have a better shot/or just as the same w/short burst than w/reg dosing... B/c your only shut down for 3-4 wks as opposed to 12+... Does that make more sense and help answer your ?...
Ahh no! Still doesnt. Ya i know that thread and i agree with it 100%!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
But my question is, there are 2 cycles:
1. 8 week cycle test e, 500mg
2. 8 week cycle test e, 3000 mg
Who recovers faster? Or they both recover the same??
If their their the same length and one has triple + dosages than the other... Then yes it would have a great effect on recovery....Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
You always have a better shot w/a smaller dose but one could recover just as good as one taking 500mgs, if all precautions were taken & done as safely as possible(but BW is still the only REAL way of knowing)...
Just saw the difference lol
Yes!!! Finally this is the question i was talking about ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
But howcome? Isnt your body shutdown with super low test anyway? what's the science behind this particular situation?
Sure shut down is shut down... It'll definitely vary between individual's(as you know this)... But abytime you triple a dose from 500 to 1500mgs the Aromatase will be much higher and if one doesn't do they're BW they'll bever really know for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
Can it be done effectively.... Absolutely! Look at all the pro's in BBing some use decent amounts... Some use ridiculous amounts... So if running a really high supra physiological dose than it's much safer to run it for a shorter time...
I don't have any studies atm but maybe a vet will chime in...
Ya the aromatise will be much higher but you can control that with ai and more nolva in pct so estrogen will be most likely in control, anything else that might cause the longer shutdown?Quote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
Ya hopefully vet will step in, this is a very technical questions ;)
Still not convinced why larger dosage will cause longer shutdown compared to lower one yet :(
It won't necessarily cause longer shut down, but harder(as shut down is still shut down)! Longer to recover maybe! All depends from oerson to person...
And yes it abdolutely can work... It does all the time... Like you said if your AI. Is dialed in and all precautions are taken then your likelihood of recovering is pretty much just as good! I'm tryin to follow... But BW is the only real way of knowing! Hence it's importance(pre/mid/post PCT like 8 wks after)...
Ok so if it doesnt cause longer shutdown then the recovery chance is gonna be the same between doses, unless there is another variable for recovery besides being shutdown!Quote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
And ya ofc bw all the time! Best study one can do is knowing your body through bw ;)
Wait why harder shutdown scientifically? Length of shutdown i same, we agreed to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
By scientifically i mean go in detail like LH, free test and etc :p
If you took 2gs of test e you should start PCT 2 weeks longer after the cycle ends than if you took 500mgs of test e.Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
This is due to the half live being about 7 days and you taking 4 times as much.
Basically you don't start PCT until most of the compound is out of your system.
Now how long that takes depends on the half life AND how much of the compound you are taking.
The recommended PCT therapy start time of two weeks after last injection only works for moderate dosed cycles.
A YOLO sized cycle would need need a longer break before PCT starts.
you are taking 4 times but doesnt it all go away in 14 days since halflife is 7 anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
I mean i dont really see why the taking more will increase the halflife.
If you have 2L milk, half life is 7 days and another 250ml milk and half life is 7, they both go bad same time
you know the more I think about this the more confused I'm getting lol:)Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
In theory yes we're agreeing on the length part... Harder I don't think so as I stated shut down is shut down... But it could lead to a more difficult recovery!
Also, in any cycle(your shutting down endogenous test production) your HPTA/& testes take a a nose dive... It's inevitable, we all know this... So in theory if all precautions are taken(AI/hCG/correct PCT protocol) there's a good shot at recovery! That said doing this over long periods of time could/will catch up to you... Hence why BW is the key to knowing your answer!
Doesn't work like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
If you have 2L of milk and half life is 7 days...
In 1 week you have 1L
In 2 weeks you have .5L
In 3 weeks you have .25L
In 4 weeks you have .125L
After every half life, half of what's in your system disappears.
Oh ya now that reminds me my chemistry!! ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
Look at what the deadliftdog is saying ^^^^ this means the length part is not the same anymore. So if the length is not the same then simply larger dose will cause longer shutdown :( fkn bs :( .Quote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
But then in that case the short burst cycle that marcus is taking about, the starting pct must be adjusted correct?
I saw... He did a better job reading between the lines than I did! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
Yes depending on ester and half life of compound it will affect starting PCT time... The clearing time as DLD stated has a great effect on timing
Not just depending on ester and halflife, but also dosage since it accumulates! I like this forum, learning something new all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
Yes correct(I figured you'd know that part, since it was your ? :)) hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ
Right! I love this place... I learn something new daily... It's great! Good ? Too! Made a good convo!