starting gear

**T3ckton1k** · 04-24-2015, 07:18 AM

I am only 18 but look older than that and I stopped growing for about 4 years. No more height or width and no more body hair (i am hairy anyway

). I know my T should be high butI am sick of wasting money on useless supps and food. I want to cycle 1-2 times and get to 80-83 kgs with 10-12 bf. Now i am 73kg with about 16 bf. The problem is that I can lift everyday or almost everyday till autumn, after that I have to cut that to 4 days/week and focus on school. And during the next summer I will have a serious physical test of strenght+endurance to get into the best police officer academy in my country.

Cycle:
10 weeks sustanon 250
1: 250mg
2-9: 500
10: 250

Some danabol in first 2 weeks after that winstrol (oral)

PCT: nolva and I will try to get my hands on HCG but I dom't think I can get that + 1 month of a good test booster

**Mr.BB** · 04-24-2015, 07:39 AM

Doesnt really matter if you look older pal, at 18 years old you are at your lifes peak of your own natural testosterone production, taking steroids will halt and completely shut down this natural production, and then you have 70% more chances of not recovering completely your testosterone once the natural production restarts.
It is dumb not to wait till your hpta mature IMO.

Read this:

The young and Steroids

***Cycles going wrong for the young***

**NACH3** · 04-24-2015, 08:07 AM

Pls read those links, your HPTA is not fully matured til 25(at least that's what the consensus from specialists are still conveying - like Endos and members that are more knowledgeable than most Docs)... Also try changing your diet around - you need food! If you want to way 200lbs you have got to eat like one!!!

Learn how to dial in your diet then everything will follow! GL!

**musclestack** · 04-24-2015, 08:10 AM

Listen to Mr.BB. You may not believe it, but he's just trying to help. You will not get many, if any, responses regarding your cycle other than "don't do it" due to your age and current weight. You said you want to get up to 80kg....well, how much do you weigh now?

Read the links provided above. They just may save you. In the meantime, welcome to the community! Spend your time in the diet and training sections, and these guys will have you growing like a week in no time!!

**T3ckton1k** · 04-24-2015, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by musclestack

Listen to Mr.BB. You may not believe it, but he's just trying to help. You will not get many, if any, responses regarding your cycle other than "don't do it" due to your age and current weight. You said you want to get up to 80kg....well, how much do you weigh now?

Read the links provided above. They just may save you. In the meantime, welcome to the community! Spend your time in the diet and training sections, and these guys will have you growing like a week in no time!!

I told you I am 73.5kg 173 15-17bf. If I will not use now I may use a very short cycle just for strenght and endurance after the medical check-up, so that I can be in very top shape for my physical test I will face next summer. The test is about 3 days after the blood work and the other things so.. with danabol and smth else I could still gain somr strenght

**NACH3** · 04-24-2015, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by T3ckton1k

I told you I am 73.5kg 173 15-17bf. If I will not use now I may use a very short cycle just for strenght and endurance after the medical check-up, so that I can be in very top shape for my physical test I will face next summer. The test is about 3 days after the blood work and the other things so.. with danabol and smth else I could still gain somr strenght

Your not getting the point we are trying to make - are you willing to sacrifice a lifetime of problems for some gains(that you'll probably end up losing after)... Your far too young... And food and more food along w/a great training program will take you a long way!!

**musclestack** · 04-24-2015, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by T3ckton1k

I told you I am 73.5kg 173 15-17bf. If I will not use now I may use a very short cycle just for strenght and endurance after the medical check-up, so that I can be in very top shape for my physical test I will face next summer. The test is about 3 days after the blood work and the other things so.. with danabol and smth else I could still gain somr strenght

Oops! Sorry, I must have missed where you gave your stats. Either way, that's way too light, especially at 16% bf, to start a cycle. You'll be very disappointed in the results, and you probably won't keep anything after cycle anyway. Your stats indicate that your diet is lacking. Without adequate calories/macro proportions, AAS will do nothing for you. It's not a magic pill. I learned that the hard way early on as well. And honestly, even if you were 200 lbs at 10-12%bf, you still wouldn't be ready because you're too young. Donig AAS now, you are risking shutting your natural test production down for good, which will force yo to go on TRT for life. It's serious, and it's not worth it!

Please reconsider what you're planning on doing here. Read the posts above and the links provided. After you read them, if you're still not convinced....read them again until you are. Everyone here is just trying to look out for you so you don't do permanent damage to yourself. Trust me, I've been around here a long time, and there have been plenty of young members that come here wanting to do steroids , do it, and then less than a year (or sometimes more) later, they come here asking why they lost all their gains, have no libido, are depressed, can't get it up, hell, some of them have even contimplated suicide...no joke! Your best bet is to head over to the diet and workout forums. We WILL teach you how to grow. You don't need steroids...at least not yet. Good luck and take care!

**T3ckton1k** · 04-24-2015, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by musclestack

Oops! Sorry, I must have missed where you gave your stats. Either way, that's way too light, especially at 16% bf, to start a cycle. You'll be very disappointed in the results, and you probably won't keep anything after cycle anyway. Your stats indicate that your diet is lacking. Without adequate calories/macro proportions, AAS will do nothing for you. It's not a magic pill. I learned that the hard way early on as well. And honestly, even if you were 200 lbs at 10-12%bf, you still wouldn't be ready because you're too young. Donig AAS now, you are risking shutting your natural test production down for good, which will force yo to go on TRT for life. It's serious, and it's not worth it!

Please reconsider what you're planning on doing here. Read the posts above and the links provided. After you read them, if you're still not convinced....read them again until you are. Everyone here is just trying to look out for you so you don't do permanent damage to yourself. Trust me, I've been around here a long time, and there have been plenty of young members that come here wanting to do steroids, do it, and then less than a year (or sometimes more) later, they come here asking why they lost all their gains, have no libido, are depressed, can't get it up, hell, some of them have even contimplated suicide...no joke! Your best bet is to head over to the diet and workout forums. We WILL teach you how to grow. You don't need steroids...at least not yet. Good luck and take care!

Well my diet ain't that bad, at least not in my opinion. The main problem of it is that it contains too much protein. So far I have always overeaten during bulking and gained fat despite I ate only clean foods. I was thinking about gear because I know quite a few succes stories of young dudes using it and getting away with few pounds they kept despite they used damn orals only and no pct. It sounds damn imposible but they got away with the gains. None of them is skinny or fat, or depressed etc. They only complain lack of progress witch may be due to their lifestyle and diet or lower T than before. They do not pay so much attention on sleep, food or supps. And I though, if it worked for them, it should work for me and I am doing it the smart way and I though you may be a bit overprotective. + as I said before my body stalled in growth for a while, everything is the same for 4 years and I do not get random or morning boners anymore and acnee is gone. I read somewhere that this are signs of stabile T and fully/almost fully developed body.

**NACH3** · 04-24-2015, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by T3ckton1k

Well my diet ain't that bad, at least not in my opinion. The main problem of it is that it contains too much protein. So far I have always overeaten during bulking and gained fat despite I ate only clean foods. I was thinking about gear because I know quite a few succes stories of young dudes using it and getting away with few pounds they kept despite they used damn orals only and no pct. It sounds damn imposible but they got away with the gains. None of them is skinny or fat, or depressed etc. They only complain lack of progress witch may be due to their lifestyle and diet or lower T than before. They do not pay so much attention on sleep, food or supps. And I though, if it worked for them, it should work for me and I am doing it the smart way and I though you may be a bit overprotective. + as I said before my body stalled in growth for a while, everything is the same for 4 years and I do not get random or morning boners anymore and acnee is gone. I read somewhere that this are signs of stabile T and fully/almost fully developed body.

You'd have to see if "you were an exeption" which I doubt, but your Epiphyseal Plates(growth plates) also don't fuse until your about 24-25... And again your HPTA(Hyoothalamus PituitaryTesticular Axis) isn't fully matured until your 25 by Endocrinologists perspective as well as the very people who write iur stickies... Very very up to date on the newest and most proved and safest methods science has to date(& many of members experiences using these exact protocols - me included)...

**djgreen** · 04-24-2015, 03:30 PM

these guys know a lot you should take the advice given, and wait a while and do research in the meantime. those guys you speak of will have problems down the road and they will pay the price for it when they are 30 40 years old. Also from what you have said you don't have enough knowledge of AAS to cycle even if you were older. work hard and eat good and keep improving your technique and you will grow plenty