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01-24-2015, 02:53 PM #1Associate Member
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Hi all need your suggestions on how this cycle looks. Getting everything ready, your suggestions would've great. Pct not 100% confident on.
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Age: 27
BF: 18% will be 15% when I start my cycle
Height: 5-11
Diet: Strict
Goals: Lean Muscle 10%-9%BF
Target Date: July 2nd 2015
Lifting For 10+ years
College Athlete
Location: Manhattan NY
Previous Cycles:
Test E Only for 12 weeks 500mg
xgen labs winnabol and testabol 8 weeks
Updates Upcoming Cycle(March 5 First Pin)
Week 1-16Testosterone-prop 2xweek @ 250mg Pin Thursday & Sunday
Week 1-10 Tren ace 75mg eod
Week 1-16 Arimidex 0.5mg/eod
Week 1-6 &12-16 Winstrol 50mg/eod
Week 16-1 (vaca) Nothing
Week 17-18 Nolvadex 40mg per day
Week 18-19 Nolvadex 20mg per day
Week 17-21 clomid 75/50/50/25
Week 18-19 hcg 250iu ed
If I'm prone to gyno and I've had it removed surgically should I bump up Arimidex? Run Nolva during cycle?
I've also read that hcg should be taken on cycle and not pct, if that's the case how do I structure it into my cycle?
On cycle cardio: 4x week run on treadmill for 20 min. Do I need more?
I will take all suggestions with great appreciation.
Thank you very muchLast edited by King Mathers; 01-24-2015 at 03:13 PM.
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01-24-2015, 07:23 PM #2Associate Member
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Suggestions anyone??
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01-24-2015, 07:31 PM #3New Member
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If you are running Tren , you should be running something like cabergolin.
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01-25-2015, 08:13 AM #4Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 80Monk
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01-25-2015, 08:25 AM #5
Alot wrong here....main thing is shouldn't be using tren for your second cycle. Far too advance compound. And with that said someone advise caber. And you haven't researched enough to know what it is and why you should use it while on tren or any 19nor for that matter.
Second test P should be every other day or even everyday pinning.
Third 75 mg of tren anyways eod is a little high of a dose for first time. Assuming it's legit.
Fourth would be really no reason for winny while using tren. Very harsh both compounds.
Fifth you r right about hcg on cycle not pct. There's a thread maybe even a stickie about proper use of hcg.
Sixth it's gonna take a lot of work to get down 3% body fat by your time line. Hit the diet section and post ur meal plan.
Personal recommend test cycle and if u want to add winny. But take that as u will.
Good luck
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01-25-2015, 08:36 AM #6Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Sfla80
I will take tren out of the cycle.
Also I don't want to be 3% that's un realistic looking for around 8%-9% which shouldn't be hard for me with my diet and training.
I will pin test p ed 75mg
Is my 1-6 winny and then 12-16 winny still ok?
I was thinking to drop the hcg completely and run Nolva on cycle to prevent gyno since I'm prone.Last edited by King Mathers; 01-25-2015 at 09:01 AM.
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01-25-2015, 11:11 AM #7
Ok great choice taking tren out of the cycle.
But bad mistake thinking u will not need hcg ....hcg isn't to combat gyno. Please read this link and do a little research. Hcg can benefit in many ways. HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections
And lol, never said wanted to be 3%bf.......u currently stated you were 18% and will be 15% by the time your cycle starts. I was stating that it will take some hard work to lose that 3% by the time you start. Being a higher BF when cycling rasies the risk of sides....especially gyno which u r prone too. So be careful.
As far as ur gyno issues I can not help....I have never experienced any gyno sides myself.
Winnny only 4 weeks of it. I would suggest end of your cycle. which I just noticed was 16wks...I would drop test to 12 wks. Run winny 10-14wks. stop day before just before pct.
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01-25-2015, 01:40 PM #8Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Sfla80
My original cycle with some changes and suggestions from you and others.
Week 1-14 test prop ed 75mg
Week 1-14 Arimidex 0.5mg/eod
Week 1-14 hcg iu 250 a week
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ed
Week 7-14 Anavar 100mg ed
Week 15-16(vaca) Nothing
Week 17-18Nolvadex 40mg per day
Week 19-20 Nolvadex 20mg per day
Week 17-20 clomid 75/50/50/25Last edited by King Mathers; 01-25-2015 at 01:51 PM.
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Agree w/Sfla here! Well stated Sfla! And he's right hCG mimics LH and prevents testicular atrophy and function which will help you recover faster... Great choice by not taking the Tren ! With any 19nor steroid it's also a progestin which can raise prolactin and cause men to lactate among other issues(hence the caber/or Prami(which is a DA - dopamine agonist which keeps prolactin at bay(laymen's terms here)... So, yes have s read at the sticky's as they will answer most ?'s in general! Good luck!
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01-25-2015, 02:00 PM #10Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NACH3
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Looks good except for your anavar dose... Yes you could take 100mg ed but real Var I would do 60mg - 80mg ed... But otherwise everything else looks good... I Read that you already had surgically removed Gyno? If so I'm assuming the Nolva 10mg is for that specifically...
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01-25-2015, 02:22 PM #12Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NACH3
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Real anavar has gotten my buddy's in the past w/really oily skin(then pimples) but Ive always used some kind of scrub/exfoliation etc for skin and haven't had problems... Finestride is for hair loss(preventative)... But if your prone to male pattern baldness raking any DHT will eventually lead to thinning or baldness!
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01-25-2015, 03:02 PM #14Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NACH3
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01-25-2015, 03:13 PM #15
Just noticed something else man. With prop pct starts 3 days after last injection.
Shows u r on Vaca certain weeks. Do you have to take prop cause it's what u have or is that what u want to take.
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01-25-2015, 03:36 PM #16Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Sfla80
Week 1-14 test prop ed 75mg
Week 1-14 Arimidex 0.5mg/eod
Week 1-14 hcg iu 250 a week
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ed
Week 7-14 Anavar 100mg ed
3 days after last pin pct starts
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/25
Or
Week 1-16 test E 250 2x week
Week 1-16 Arimidex 0.5mg/eod
Week 1-16 hcg iu 250 a week
Week 1-16 Nolva 10mg ed
Week 8-16 Anavar 100mg ed
2 weeks after last pin pct:
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/25
Or
Week 1-12test E 250 2x week
Week 12-16 teat prop ed 75 mg
Week 1-16 Arimidex 0.5mg/eod
Week 1-16 hcg iu 250 a week
Week 1-16 Nolva 10mg ed
Week 8-16 Anavar 100mg ed
3 days after last pin pct:
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/25Last edited by King Mathers; 01-25-2015 at 03:57 PM.
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Remember the longer your on the longer it takes to recover! So if your going to 16 wks then my PCT would look more like this
Clomid - 100/50/50/50
Nolva. - 40/40/20/20
Just my .02...
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01-25-2015, 04:24 PM #18Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NACH3
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I'd go w/option 2 how you have it... No need for backloading prop if anything do your test e Inj e3.5d, and front load w/prop(for 4 wks) but that's your call and run the car from 8-16 like ya got it...
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Last edited by King Mathers; 01-25-2015 at 05:51 PM.
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Is this your first cycle?? B/c I just realized your runnin 700mg of test e and front loading prop @ 525mg wkly?? Thsts too much! No need! If your set on running that much test e than that and the var is plenty!
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Saw the beginning - my bad... But how did you recover from that?
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I like prop myself but it's a short ester as you know... Running it ed for 16 wks is overkill, IMO!! I like what you have set up with the prop or test e at 500mg s wk and my be front load prop at 350-400mg a wk for 4 wks... Either is ok but personally I wouldn't run prop for 16 wks ed(pin cushion...lol)... It's not like it hasn't bren done so... It's up to you at this point! I can't really tell ya anything more... You know what's right!
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