Cycle idea for a friend

**Anthony2212** · 05-07-2015, 08:23 PM

Week 1-8 deca 300 once/WK
Week 1-8 winstrol 50mg EOD
Week 1- 8 dostinex .5mg 2x/WK
Week 5-6 anavar 100mg/day
Week 7-8 anavar 50mg/day
Week 1-8 HCG 250mg 2x/WK
Week 11 Clomid 100mg per day
Week 12 Clomid 50mg per day
Week 13 Clomid 50mg per day
Week 14 Clomid 50mg per day

**Euroholic** · 05-07-2015, 10:48 PM

Hi friend

Tell us about him?

**marcus300** · 05-07-2015, 11:26 PM

The cycle is awful,
how old is your friend?
how much does he weigh?
how tall are you?
how long have you been training?

PT · 05-08-2015, 03:11 AM

Yea that won't work. First off deca needs to be ran longer in my experience. He needs test to replace his bodies natural production which will be shut down. I have never had results from winny unless I ran 50mg ed or 100mgs eod. That's my personal experience so take as you will but this cycle needs changed and of course we are here to help

**Anthony2212** · 05-08-2015, 04:05 AM

About 5'8", 180 probly around 15% BF stocky kid but hes 20 so test is gonna be an issue but hes got his mind set

**marcus300** · 05-08-2015, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anthony2212

About 5'8", 180 probly around 15% BF stocky kid but hes 20 so test is gonna be an issue but hes got his mind set

I would really try your best to change his mind set because he is asking for trouble. Shutting your natural test down before its fully developed can cause him serious problems for the rest of his life. The fact is he doesn't need to shut his own test down what he wants to do is use it and implement a plan to build some serious size by adjusting his diet and training program. Having a limp dick could change his mind and without doubt if he built any gains on the cycle he will lose them afterwards so he isn't going forward infact he's going backwards.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

**Anthony2212** · 05-08-2015, 04:29 AM

Wow thanks for all that man, iknow its a bad idea but what is something was done he could do just without deca ? Anything along those lines because it seems like thats the big problem.

**marcus300** · 05-08-2015, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anthony2212

Wow thanks for all that man, iknow its a bad idea but what is something was done he could do just without deca? Anything along those lines because it seems like thats the big problem.

All steroids will shut him down, all of them. So he's better off sorting his diet and training out because trust me that's were the problem is.

**dubrovin1012** · 05-08-2015, 04:36 AM

Man there ain't changing mind of a 20 year old. If he really wants to do he will do it. If he don't then he'll do his research and won't. It's like telling a 20 year old girl not to tan because her skin will look horrible when she's older. She don't give a ****, all she wants to is look hot and tan now.

**marcus300** · 05-08-2015, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by dubrovin1012

Man there ain't changing mind of a 20 year old. If he really wants to do he will do it. If he don't then he'll do his research and won't. It's like telling a 20 year old girl not to tan because her skin will look horrible when she's older. She don't give a ****, all she wants to is look hot and tan now.

Ive changed many 20 yr old minds regarding taking gear, I admit most don't listen but there are plenty who do and pm me years after thanking me, so I will try my best and give my opinion and I live in hope he takes it, if not I guess I will try and help him out when he posts in the HRT section.

**Anthony2212** · 05-08-2015, 04:59 AM

Haha HRT?? Not too familiar sorry. But yeah, i can try but what if he wont listen? I need to at least steer him to the right cycle

**marcus300** · 05-08-2015, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anthony2212

Haha HRT?? Not too familiar sorry. But yeah, i can try but what if he wont listen? I need to at least steer him to the right cycle

Hormone replacement therapy when he doesn't have any natural test due to shutting it down before its fully developed. There isn't a right cycle for someone with his stats. I wouldn't worry about him just forget about him if he wants to have no balls , zero sex drive and unable to get hard let it be. Just worry about looking after yourself guys who are unable to build muscle without steroids at 20yrs old aren't worth worrying about.

**NACH3** · 05-08-2015, 05:10 AM

Man, pls have your friend ar least read what has been posted! It's his health that's at risk here... He will be very thankful if he chooses to listen or like mentioned we'll see him later when reality sets in...

**dubrovin1012** · 05-08-2015, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Ive changed many 20 yr old minds regarding taking gear, I admit most don't listen but there are plenty who do and pm me years after thanking me, so I will try my best and give my opinion and I live in hope he takes it, if not I guess I will try and help him out when he posts in the HRT section.

When did you start doing gear?