How long before side effects?

**boisebeast** · 05-07-2015, 03:29 AM

For the purpose of this thread let's say test cyp for example. How long before you guys usually see visible signs of side effects like acne after your first injection?

Also a side question, do you start your AI's as soon as you take your first shot of test, or do you give it a few days?

Thanks

**pitweiler** · 05-07-2015, 03:32 AM

I take the AI the first day then EOD

As far as the effects "feeling it". It all depends on the person really. Some people say they feel it within two weeks but for me it takes 4-5. Some don't really feel it any more. Just see the gains from it

**boisebeast** · 05-07-2015, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by pitweiler

I take the AI the first day then EOD

As far as the effects "feeling it". It all depends on the person really. Some people say they feel it within two weeks but for me it takes 4-5. Some don't really feel it any more. Just see the gains from it

Thanks for the reply. How long for you to see acne? Or do you not break out on cycle?

**standarduser5555** · 05-07-2015, 07:57 AM

I've always had a bit of back acne since I was a teenager. On my first cycle of TEST E only, I noticed changes to my acne around 3-4 weeks, not necessarily more acne. They became more like boils. I ran aromasin the entire cycle.

Now on my second cycle, I've noticed minimal changes, if any, to my already minimal back acne.. again, running aromasin the entire cycle.

**marcus300** · 05-07-2015, 08:02 AM

Sides are an individual thing, ive never had acne with any of my cycles. Most side effects can be controlled but its the ones you can are the danger. Just like cycling to young could destroy your natural test which in your case is a huge problem and over powers any type cycling IMHO.

**marcus300** · 05-07-2015, 08:03 AM

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**boisebeast** · 05-07-2015, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old. I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older. I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies. Marcus

Thanks for the detailed reply Marcus, I really value your opinion. I recently got bloodwork done (never having take anything that could suppress my test levels) and I had borderline low T, but exceptionally low for my age. My doctor was on the fence of putting me on TRT. My consideration of using steroids right now (I turn 22 next month by the way) has to do with getting back that bloodwork and realizing I have much lower test than I should (I got bloodwork done twice to confirm). I was considering just putting myself on 80-100mg of Test C or E per week, just to bring my levels up to normal. I feel that staying within a very responsible, non-super-physiological range would minimize the risks of long term issues. My fiancé can't have kids anyway, so I'm not concerned about that issue either. I'm definitely on the fence of going down this route and I take all opinions to heart