Running second cycle need advice

[stjohnston24]

Alright guys I have a cycle in mind after doing some research. I won't be starting for a month or two just to get everything correct and to acquire even more knowledge.
Cycle
Week 1-12 test prop 500mg weekly
Week 1-8 tren ace 75mg eod
Week 4-12 mast prop 200 mg eod
Week 1-8 annovar 50mg daily
HCG 500 IU EOD
Arimidex .25mg EOD

I'm new so be gentle! I also want to know more from experienced users on tren prop. EOD or ED injections I am hearing different answers. I'm trying to stay away from higher dosages to avoid sides. Any info helps like I said I'm not planning on running this until I know I'm 100% on track to make improvements and not hurt myself.

Stats:
5'7 194lbs
10-11%bf
23 years old

Previous cycle as follows
Week 1-12 test E 600mgs weekly
Week 1-14 arimidex .25mg eod
Week 15-18 nolva 40 40 20 20
Week 15-18 clom 100 100 50 50
I didn't run hcg but definitely will next cycle.
Went from about 181lbs to 198 by end of week 12 at 10% bf.

[NACH3]

A lil young to have already cycled or even to cycle! I hope you know the dangers involved at your age! And your first cycle should've been test only! You've got a really good base at 5'7" 190ish...

On a second cycle your no where near ready for Tren! You didn't list a DA either(which at the very least should have on hand but in this case you should take it b/c I doubt you have your AI dialed in atm)... Tren is a progestin and if your E2 becomes elevated your going to have some serious sides from prolactin!!

There's no need for all those compounds... You can make the same gains w/different compounds(less) and w/a solid diet/& training program!

[stjohnston24]

Ok thank, my training is extremely consistent as well as my diet I'm lean bulking clean eating 6 meals a day. I know how long of a process this is as it has taken years to get me where I am.

As far as a second cycle and running it successfully what might you recommend if I do in fact cut the tren out? I'm looking to put on mass to eventually compete in 2016.

Wasn't a huge fan of test e, I guess I came in expecting too much! But I put on a little size(some water retention) but I also had terrible pip and had to split the 1cc into two needles and inject in two sites.

As far as sides and my AIG, I had pretty much zero sides although my blood pressure rose just a hair and had a few red bumps similar to acne on my back.

Anything you recommend is greatly appreciated. I know I'm young and that's why I'm asking for help while I still can but this is a path I'm ready to go down as long as I know I'm being careful and using low dosages to offset any potential sides.

[stjohnston24]

Ok after doing even more research i think I'll stick to a test compound for at least a few more cycles

Do you think if I have ran test e at 600mgs a week it would be worth it to go to a short ester such as prop? I had terrible pip and I did everything I could think of to stop it! So I'm not sure if I wanna inject eod. Also does anyone have a good experience with sustanon 250? Been looking into that as well.

[NACH3]

Ok after doing even more research i think I'll stick to a test compound for at least a few more cycles

Do you think if I have ran test e at 600mgs a week it would be worth it to go to a short ester such as prop? I had terrible pip and I did everything I could think of to stop it! So I'm not sure if I wanna inject eod. Also does anyone have a good experience with sustanon 250? Been looking into that as well.

I actually run prop more often than not.... I don't mind the pinning... Test e sometimes has more pip than prop in my experience(shows how everyone is different)

Tbh - maybe just go w/another test only but since you were pinning 4x wkly w/a long ester(due to pip) you my as well run prop) just make sure you have enough inj sites(4-6 to be safe)...

NPP(Nandrolone phenyl propionate - out in 4 days opposed to 21 to clear and up to 18months detection) is just a short ester of Nandrolone Decanate(deca), will out on lean mass if your diet is on point! I gained 20lbs and dropped 3-4% on a bulk... So it's surely possible(duet/training are key)...

[stjohnston24]

Awesome!! What did you run you NPP at? If I decided to go with the test prop and maybe add the NPP would am 8 week or 12 week cycle be immanent? Thanks for all the advice man. I'm doing my best to stay on the right path, and contain as much as possible through these blogs.

[stjohnston24]

Another option might be running test prop and annovar?

[NACH3]

Awesome!! What did you run you NPP at? If I decided to go with the test prop and maybe add the NPP would am 8 week or 12 week cycle be immanent? Thanks for all the advice man. I'm doing my best to stay on the right path, and contain as much as possible through these blogs.

I ran prop at 600/NPP 420 for 12 wks and it was the best lean bulk I've done but diet is the key(Ih and HIT RULES) lol

Prop and var is a great combo just be sure it's real var(one of the most faked compounds out there - Labmax it) if running prop backload the var for best results and run it at 60-80mgs Ed if it's not RX)

[stjohnston24]

Ok one more option would be tbol and test c? I like the idea of zero water retention and no bloating with tbol. I also heard it's a good start for my age to grow. But then I read and it's not known for putting on size.

[NACH3]

Ok one more option would be tbol and test c? I like the idea of zero water retention and no bloating with tbol. I also heard it's a good start for my age to grow. But then I read and it's not known for putting on size.

It's up to you... Your gonna have to experiment - but I really think you ought to wait(it's only a 1.5-2yrs) I've never ran t-Bol but it's definitely more for LBM(which I'd take the slow quality gains over more water weight! Just that easy to me