Injection Anxiety...didn't see this coming

[Frontpump]

Yes so I'm getting apparently crazy nervous every time I inject.

All I can think about are oil embolisms and intramuscular infections.

I just don't know enough about what does and doesn't matter to be fully comfortable with this stuff. Like how are you supposed to know if something is a big deal or a little deal, if you just don't know?

You guys have any pointers?

I've actually gotten more nervous the more injections I do, not the opposite.

Shit is really stressing me out actually. Maybe I'm a bitch.

what's up?

[djgreen]

just go for it and it will get a little better each time

[davidtheman100]

To be honest with you if you're nervous every single time then why even do it unless you need TRT? If it's affecting you that psychologically negatively?

"How to inject" instruction video could help..But you already know how to inject?

"How to aspirate" instruction video..Maybe you already do?

Making sure you're using alcohol swabs and making sure everything is sterile upon usage could def help you out mentally a bit? Switching needles after drawing to inject?

I agree it will get better with time...But if it's a real problem i would really reconsider things

[Frontpump]

I'm doing this because I have a 3 year complex injury that is so far undiagnosable and not healing properly. This is sort of my last ditch effort at having a functional neck and shoulder again. No doctor's have done shit. And I've seen 7 or more. 5 Mri's, 6 x-rays. I just want to lift again. I'm only 27, it's too ****ing early to be this limited in the gym. Used to be my life. So that's why I'm doing it. Collagen building compounds, deca, eg, anavar, etc.

Not doing growth cause I keep hearing it's not real post-china olympics anyway.

-watched a lot of how to vids
-definitely aspirating
-I'm using sterile mats, sterile gloves, alchohol swabs, switching needles, and I whatman filtered everything

My concern is that something I'm not aware of will happen. How can you know what you don't know? You see what I mean.

[lovbyts]

I'm doing this because I have a 3 year complex injury that is so far undiagnosable and not healing properly. This is sort of my last ditch effort at having a functional neck and shoulder again. No doctor's have done shit. And I've seen 7 or more. 5 Mri's, 6 x-rays. I just want to lift again. I'm only 27, it's too ****ing early to be this limited in the gym. Used to be my life. So that's why I'm doing it. Collagen building compounds, deca, eg, anavar, etc.

Not doing growth cause I keep hearing it's not real post-china olympics anyway.

-watched a lot of how to vids
-definitely aspirating
-I'm using sterile mats, sterile gloves, alchohol swabs, switching needles, and I whatman filtered everything

My concern is that something I'm not aware of will happen. How can you know what you don't know? You see what I mean.

Smart man. Only HGH via RX.

Yeah I hear you, I was pretty much the same way and I still dont like to pin. What I found is dont over think it. No gloves, no trying to be sterile. I just pin after a shower so I know I'm clean and I dont dart. Good new sharp needle after I draw and instead of dart I just touch to the skin and SLOWLY apply pressure. If it's a good spot it goes in Slow like a hot knife into butter and I dont feel anything at all.

[Mr.BB]

You should be researching TB500, think it could help you much more than steroids

[Jesusbrah]

I had it the same way the first time i injected on myself. After 15 minutes of maning myself up, i just slowly pressed the needle in my quad. Just take a deep breath, bite your teeth together and do it!

[Frontpump]

The TB500 thing is still so new. I've read it's great, I've read it's dangerous. All the NLM article just deal with detecting it to prevent blood doping (great ****ing priorities medical community).

Maybe if more people used it and could chime in...

I consider it risky using AAS already, much less a brand new peptide with little longevity in the community.

[swolehead]

what needle size r u using my first cycle i felt this way using 23guage 1 inch switched to 25g 1 inch after and never realy got nervouse about it again cause it goes in so easy

[lovbyts]

The TB500 thing is still so new. I've read it's great, I've read it's dangerous. All the NLM article just deal with detecting it to prevent blood doping (great ****ing priorities medical community).

Maybe if more people used it and could chime in...

I consider it risky using AAS already, much less a brand new peptide with little longevity in the community.

Where have you read it's dangerous? I have used it off and on for a couple of years and know quite a few who also use it and have never heard anyone who had problems with it.

[Armykid93]

Smart man. Only HGH via RX. Yeah I hear you, I was pretty much the same way and I still dont like to pin. What I found is dont over think it. No gloves, no trying to be sterile. I just pin after a shower so I know I'm clean and I dont dart. Good new sharp needle after I draw and instead of dart I just touch to the skin and SLOWLY apply pressure. If it's a good spot it goes in Slow like a hot knife into butter and I dont feel anything at all.

Phenomenal advice. Slowly apply pressure. Not sure how people dart anyways. I'd be terrified to dart.

[NACH3]

I have no fear of needles but I still don't dart! I do exactly what LB said! Nice spot & slides right like butta!

[musclestack]

Agreed with not darting, which I imagine you don't do anyway. I wouldn't say I look forward to pinning, but I certainly don't shy away from it. Try to keep the muscle relaxed (if I'm going to inject into my right glute, I stand so that all my weight is on my left leg). Push the needle in slooooowly, aspirate, then inject slowly as well. It's not a race.

And I agree with LB on the TB500. Never heard any reports stating that TB500 is dangerous. In fact, it has done wonders for my shoulders and knees. It's not a quick fix; it takes some time to heal things properly, especially depending on what type of injury you have, but it DOES work. Good luck!

[Bonaparte]

What makes you think that steroids will help with some sort of neck/spinal injury?
You're likely doing this all for nothing.

[Joco71]

I agree with everything everyone is saying. Just take a deep breath and stop over thinking it. It's not rocket science and there is little to no pain involved.You need to get yourself to believe these things or you will continue to have problems with injections its all in your head. Get out of your own head. Lol Good Luck.

[Frontpump]

There was an article on another board about tb500 being carcinogenic. Yea pretty much every AAS and PCT drug is on the list of carcinogens I know, but still, it put me a step back.

I have a torn trapezius tendon, where it connects to the base of my skull. Also an undiagnosable weak right shoulder. The only thing that hasn't been ruled out is a torn labrum. All from the same squat injury. 450 under a rack, nailed it, and then I've never been the same.

I chose Deca, EQ, Anavar, all for two reasons:

1. Increase collagen synthesis
2. Increased red blood cell count (faster healing)

Also, a plan I was entertaining but have not decided on yet, involves getting my physical therapist (a very well rounded, formally educated, professional who is open to anabolics), to help me perform a PRP injection at the shoulder and neck. 8 weeks in, draw the blood and run through centrifuge, then inject plate rich plasma into the tendons. It pretty much works, but it's not insured yet. It would essentially be a PRP injection "on steroids". You get the idea.

I'm 3 years into hardly being able to write on a board for 30 seconds, much less press and clean 200 like the good ol' days.

So I'm pretty much ready to try anything to get my neck and shoulder back.

I skipped on my injection today. It was even worse than last night. Don't know why. I might have to figure out another plan unfortunately.

[NACH3]

There was an article on another board about tb500 being carcinogenic. Yea pretty much every AAS and PCT drug is on the list of carcinogens I know, but still, it put me a step back.

I have a torn trapezius tendon, where it connects to the base of my skull. Also an undiagnosable weak right shoulder. The only thing that hasn't been ruled out is a torn labrum. All from the same squat injury. 450 under a rack, nailed it, and then I've never been the same.

I chose Deca, EQ, Anavar, all for two reasons:

1. Increase collagen synthesis
2. Increased red blood cell count (faster healing)

Also, a plan I was entertaining but have not decided on yet, involves getting my physical therapist (a very well rounded, formally educated, professional who is open to anabolics), to help me perform a PRP injection at the shoulder and neck. 8 weeks in, draw the blood and run through centrifuge, then inject plate rich plasma into the tendons. It pretty much works, but it's not insured yet. It would essentially be a PRP injection "on steroids". You get the idea.

I'm 3 years into hardly being able to write on a board for 30 seconds, much less press and clean 200 like the good ol' days.

So I'm pretty much ready to try anything to get my neck and shoulder back.

I skipped on my injection today. It was even worse than last night. Don't know why. I might have to figure out another plan unfortunately.

You ever looked into subQ injections then... At most in a subQ inj is .6ml(then find another spot if injecting anything more than .6ml at a time, which I'm sure you will... you'll get lumps and painful ones if injecting more than .6ml in one spot! Just another thought if your having so much trouble pinning!

[Joco71]

You ever looked into subQ injections then... At most in a subQ inj is .6ml(then find another spot if injecting anything more than .6ml at a time, which I'm sure you will... you'll get lumps and painful ones if injecting more than .6ml in one spot! Just another thought if your having so much trouble pinning!

Thats' a great Idea Nach gave you I would get some slin and give it a whirl nothing to loose at this point. Good luck in whatever you decide!!

[Frontpump]

Are you guys saying you can do subQ injections of text e, deca, EQ, etc?

This is news to me, but might be a solution.

[NACH3]

Are you guys saying you can do subQ injections of text e, deca, EQ, etc?

This is news to me, but might be a solution.

You can inj anything subQ(in your fat), no more than .6ml in an inj... I stated earlier you may want to ease into that dose - Ive only pinned HCG subQ(RX HGH soon )

[musclestack]

You can inj anything subQ(in your fat), no more than .6ml in an inj... I stated earlier you may want to ease into that dose - Ive only pinned HCG subQ(RX HGH soon )

Is there any difference in effectiveness/absorption between SubQ and IM, NACH?

[hawk14dl]

Not typically. On trt i actually feel better on sub q.

I've recently switched my cycle doses to .3ml ed sub q instead of 1ml 2x wk. 2 weeks now, haven't felt any difference

[Frontpump]

I've read on other boards that it results in lower total blood levels.

Regardless, I just pinned .4ml of deca in left and right stomach, to get me right at 160mg. It did help considerably with the anxiety. Also, removing the sterile gloves and sterile matt was helpful. It created less buildup/anticipation...less time to get nervous.

Some basics since I've never even considered sub Q.

-How soon until I can re-pin the same area? Obviously will need to pin more frequently given smaller total ML's.
-Googling subq injection sites shows stomach, glutes, back of arms, and back. Could I just inject anywhere that I'm fat? Like inner thigh for example.
-I aspirated anyway, but is it still necessary?
-what else do I need to consider about sub q?

I was getting really bummed honestly. I've never had a "phobia" "fear of X" etc. And I didn't know I had a thing with needles until I started using them. That something so trivial and exceptionally uncharacteristic of my generally "ballsy" personality, would keep me from my last ditch attempt of getting back in the gym...really felt like a blow.

So the sub Q is helpful. Thanks guys, for realio.

[NACH3]

Is there any difference in effectiveness/absorption between SubQ and IM, NACH?

If anything it'd be like slitting hairs... Unless someone would like to share bloods while doing subQ INJ then IM inj w/same compound at same dose?!

I wouldn't think so since people on HRT do use it w/very good effectiveness(like Hawk for ex) I think people read to much into it tbh!

[NACH3]

Basically anywhere you can pinch something(fatty - doesn't have to be much) but not skin... I've personall never done it... Except for my hCG - but I would think rotating sites would help but if no pain or bumps your g2g in same spot

[hawk14dl]

I was on 75mgx2 IM, put my test levels at 1050
switched to 60mgx2 sub q test was at 970.

As long as you can pinch fat you're golden. I do upper quads, glutes. One of my favorite spots is to of the leg, when you sit down and your skin folds at your hip, perfect spot.
No need to aspirate. There are no veins in the subq region.

Only thing to consider, my ugl gear leaves bumps when i inject in my stomach. My rx gear does not. I'm not sure why the difference, but alas.

If you do an injection and have a bump the next day or two, probably nothing to worry about. Mine even turn pink. if it feels hot or itchy, or stays longer then a couple of days you should see a dr.

Id rotate spots where you hit the area once a wk.

[Frontpump]

Okay so the subQ stuff is definitely the route for me. All clear. Yes, there are some bumps in yesterdays injections, so I just injected a few inches away from those today (had to split up the doses obviously), and now we're all clear.

Maybe one day I'll chill out and turn into a real man. In the mean time, I'm a fat stabber till then.

[hawk14dl]

Try a delt. I use an insulin pin to do my delts, 1/2" long is plenty for me. Easy and painless (everything is personal when it comes to injections. . What works for some doesn't for others)

[< <Samson> >]

Get a woman that does em for you


I always hate doing my own shots. . . Twice I got so shaky, I shook the spike while I was injecting. When I pulled it out, blood shot out for about a foot each time.


If I really focus, I can do them - But, it's way easier if someone else does the shot.

[Frontpump]

Pal's did the first few, and the lady friend has offered...but I'm headed out on a 12 month U.S. tour, on my own, and need to learn to do it myself anyway. I know what you mean though, waaaaaay easier when someone else has the needle.

[Frontpump]

Okay people, one of the 4 SubQ injections has started to turn red and get hot. Two others look only slightly irritated, and 1 of the 4 looks like nothing happened.

The red one stung way more than the others. I took an aspirin as a fever reducer.

These were all on my stomach, and the one that's red and hot is two inches to the right and 3 inches south of the belly button.

I drew a circle around it to see if it gets bigger or smaller. What's my next best step here?

What might I expect if it gets worse? Go to hospital, deny AAS, don't disclose the AI's, dostinex, test, deca, in my system, take the antiobiotic IV...etc etc?

Such a handful these injections are.

[PistolPete33]

You should be researching TB500, think it could help you much more than steroids

I agree with this 100%. I have a log that I did on TB. It changed my life. I had a serious neck injury that prevented me from doing much of any pressing exercises. I did one cycle of TB and it got about 70% better and it's been a long time since I did it. I'm no longer in pain at all and would use it again in a heartbeat.