2nd cycle - Tren-Ace, Tren-E, Test

Looking for critiques. What you would do differently, confirming I'm a moron, dosage corrections and PCT.

I'm 34, worked out for most of adult life. Currently sitting at about 23%BF (from the BodPod), 5'11, 235lbs. Diet could be better, but is much cleaner than usual. Follow IIFYM with my current macros at 241c 175p 70f

My first cycle was simply test-e, 125mg/E3D for 8 weeks. Felt good, no real PCT off that. Didn't experience anything negative.

About 2 months later I decided to start my first real cycle

1-9 weeks
Test-E 125mg/E3D
Tren-Ace/100mg EOD

8-16 weeks
Test-E 125/E3D
Tren-E/200mg E3D


Moderate mood swings, nothing out of control especially if I stay away from alcohol. Strength levels rising, BF% dropping. Test keeping sex drive normal, take Tadalafil if I want a pick-me-up over the weekend. Slight soreness behind right nipple with a sort of nodule there. Nothing externally visible. I read WarMachine's post on gyno and PCT and will start on a daily Tamox to prevent that gyno from getting any worse.

So what your inputs? With about 7 weeks left in the cycle, what would you change? I have Tamox and Clomid on hand... what sort of PCT would you take?

Sorry buddy why aren't you running test from the beginning? Your in over your head... This is very poorly planned! Tren is Tren why both a long and short ester w/no test til wk 9??? Tren is a beast of it's own! Not a second cycle compound!

You get BW done pre, mid(E2 and prolactin gave to be elevated if no AI/DA(if your E2 was in check you may not need a DA! Doesn't sound like it though...

Where is your AI, HCG, DA??

Plus your bf is too high to cycle! Diet and cardio are your best friends not juice yet!

I would STOP, pct as soon as it clears!

Clomid 75/50/50/50 40/40/20/20/10

Plus you hopped on too soon, time on + pct = time off min w/BW to show you've recovered!

The test is ran all the way through.. It's under 1-9 and 8-16. Looks confusing, but was trying to illustrate the overlap with Trens.

First half is a short ester since I wanted to gauge how my body would react and if I had any bad sides it would clear faster. Also, I'm in a job where getting caught with this would be Bueno. Switched to a long ester once I was confident I was not getting bad sides which, besides the nipple soreness, I'm not. The switch was primarily to spread injections out and have business trips not affect me as much.

Totally agree with you on the BF%. I decided that as well for the next time around, want to be below 18% when I go again.

I asked around for AIs and got a lot of mixed reviews, even from long time gear users. Lots said if you're not prone to estragen sides then it's not always necessary. That's another reason went with Tren-Ace: to assess any estrogen related sides.

I agree with NAC above... tren at 23% bf and on second cycle is bad news and poorly planned cycle not enough time off etc

16 Weeks of Tren on the 2nd cycle? This wont end well! Get on Ralox for that gyno right away before it becomes irreversible.

If you're honestly at that BF% you should get your diet in order and lose some before you cycle again.
The more BF you carry the more prone to estrogen sides you'll be.
Didn't experience any negatives yet you have a nodule behind a nipple.....
AI's are always needed. There's no debate. So is HCG......
PCT is always needed.

Tren is out of your league right now and you should not run it. The first thing you should do, before anything, is to obtain full blood work to establish baselines for recovery. A list is available in the HRT Forum's Finding A Doc sticky thread.

Just realized you've already started this. Well, best of luck.

If you've been working out for most of your adult life I don't understand why your bodyfat is so high???? You're obviously doing something seriously wrong. You need to stop this cycle as you have no reason to be touching Tren. You need to get over to the diet section and get that in order to get your bodyfat WAY LOWER and then run a simple Test only cycle at 500mg/week.

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Originally Posted by 619_gearnewb

Looking for critiques. What you would do differently, confirming I'm a moron, dosage corrections and PCT.

I'm 34, worked out for most of adult life. Currently sitting at about 23%BF (from the BodPod), 5'11, 235lbs. Diet could be better, but is much cleaner than usual. Follow IIFYM with my current macros at 241c 175p 70f

My first cycle was simply test-e, 125mg/E3D for 8 weeks. Felt good, no real PCT off that. Didn't experience anything negative.

About 2 months later I decided to start my first real cycle

1-9 weeks
Test-E 125mg/E3D
Tren-Ace/100mg EOD

8-16 weeks
Test-E 125/E3D
Tren-E/200mg E3D


Moderate mood swings, nothing out of control especially if I stay away from alcohol. Strength levels rising, BF% dropping. Test keeping sex drive normal, take Tadalafil if I want a pick-me-up over the weekend. Slight soreness behind right nipple with a sort of nodule there. Nothing externally visible. I read WarMachine's post on gyno and PCT and will start on a daily Tamox to prevent that gyno from getting any worse.

So what your inputs? With about 7 weeks left in the cycle, what would you change? I have Tamox and Clomid on hand... what sort of PCT would you take?

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Your missing the point, you've got no right in touching this stuff(especially Tren) w/out an AI -E2-(which us number one in keeping in check) which you have no clue b/c you've got no BW! They aid in BP, and water retention to name a brief few... Oh and lowers your test to estro ratio which is higher due to your bf being where it is! It's the internal damage your nit seeing(unless you've got them lumps behind your nips)

Seriously stop and do a proper pct we're here to help for free where as your friends or who ever steered you completely wrong! I'm glad your here but start reading the planning and executing my first successful cycle and don't deviate from that! It's the mist up to date info on safe AAS cycling and more!

Lots of good advice above. You seem to be crashing through without planning things out. Tren for a second cycle isn't good for sure. Best thing would be to do some pct, get your diet in check, and take more time planning your cycle. Good luck bro. ;)

Good stuff all around. I appreciate the feedback -- I have thick skin and half expected a "go read the stickies, ****face." Already was there and just wanted get feedback on my specific situation.

-Get BF in check before trying something like this.
-Find a doc to do bloodwork (was planning on it next time I was in San Diego with a quick trip to TJ). I'll definitely take a look at that thread for docs. I certainly can't use the ones available to me now.
-Cycle off before that nodule becomes a permanent issue.

Plus side..strength gains way up and shoulders/traps looking gooood. lol

And for my BF % -- up until about 6 months ago spent the year prior drinking and eating like shit. About 3-4 years ago, my maintained bf was around 12%.. I'll try and get back close to that before trying gear again. We'll see.

Do it right 619. Stick around here and keep educating.