14 week deca test recovery vs 12 week deca

[fitguy]

So my question is regarding recovery from 14 week deca 16 test vs 12 deca 14 test,am running hcg since beginning

[austinite]

No real difference really. With Deca , you're completely shut down from your first injection. I recommend adding 2 weeks of PCT anytime Deca is used.

[fitguy]

So it wont make a diff in my recovery if i run my cycle total of 16 weeks vs 14???

[mark woods]

An extra 2 weeks??yea shouldn't be a big issue continue on and pct as normal should be fine.

[lovbyts]

So it wont make a diff in my recovery if i run my cycle total of 16 weeks vs 14???

No, as Austinite said, just run your PCT an extra 2 weeks longer than if it was a test only cycle. Not because of the longer cycle but because you are using deca .

[jgd]

when running PCT 2 weeks longer, what would the clom/nolva doses be per day for those extra 2 weeks?

[mark woods]

No, as Austinite said, just run your PCT an extra 2 weeks longer than if it was a test only cycle. Not because of the longer cycle but because you are using deca.

His cycle is 16 weeks long so by this maths if he runs it for 20 weeks he needs 10 weeks of pct...he has also running hcg the whole time so his planned 4 weeks pct imo should be the same as his original cycle that was 14 weeks 6 weeks pct is a waste of money considering as I said he is also running hcg 4 weeks is fine!

[numbere]

His cycle is 16 weeks long so by this maths if he runs it for 20 weeks he needs 10 weeks of pct...he has also running hcg the whole time so his planned 4 weeks pct imo should be the same as his original cycle that was 14 weeks 6 weeks pct is a waste of money considering as I said he is also running hcg 4 weeks is fine!

I believe your math/logic is incorrect. PCT is not 1/2 the amount of time one is on cycle. There are many factors involved. An extra two weeks of PCT costs no extra money if you buy your ancillaries from ar r. One bottle of tamox and one bottle of clomid is enough for 6 weeks of PCT. OP might be alright with only a 4 week PCT, but it's not worth the chance when using decca.

[austinite]

His cycle is 16 weeks long so by this maths if he runs it for 20 weeks he needs 10 weeks of pct...he has also running hcg the whole time so his planned 4 weeks pct imo should be the same as his original cycle that was 14 weeks 6 weeks pct is a waste of money considering as I said he is also running hcg 4 weeks is fine!

That's not how it works. Just state your opinion and let him make a decision based on replies. No need to start an argument.

[fitguy]

Money is not an issue i already have nolva and clomid in extra so what do you guys suggest for a good pct

[Joco71]

No real difference really. With Deca, you're completely shut down from your first injection. I recommend adding 2 weeks of PCT anytime Deca is used.

Does this ^^^^^^ apply at any dosage amount and length of time? Thank you!

[numbere]

Money is not an issue i already have nolva and clomid in extra so what do you guys suggest for a good pct

Stop using hcg 3 days prior to starting PCT. Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 @ nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 should suffice

Does this ^^^^^^ apply at any dosage amount and length of time? Thank you!

It will take about 13 days for test plasma concentrations to return to baseline after a 100 mg injection of npp. It will take over 20 days for test plasa concentrations to return to baseline after a 100 mg injection of deca .

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[austinite]

Does this ^^^^^^ apply at any dosage amount and length of time? Thank you!

Not really. I mean, no one really knows exactly what formula to use. Deca is likely the harshest steroid on your HPTA, therefore it is wise to extend PCT timing. The 2 week difference between the cycles mentioned (14 weeks vs 16 weeks) is not an impactful amount of time. 10 weeks vs. 18 weeks is a big difference and would call for a more aggressive PCT.

We have to remember that all of this is very individualistic and cannot be quantified with a formula, but based on history and how drugs interact with the majority, you can make judgment calls for the betterment of recovery. In other words, you can assume you'll be OK, or you can take some extra measure to better your chances at recovery.

The best method in my opinion for the common cycles with Deca (12 to 14 weeks), is to extend PCT for 2 additional weeks. You can use Nolvadex and drop clomiphene after the 4th week. Then you would wait 6 to 8 weeks and confirm recovery with blood work. If the results fail, run another PCT for 4 weeks and retest. If you're good, you're good.

[mark woods]

That's not how it works. Just state your opinion and let him make a decision based on replies. No need to start an argument.

I'm not interested in having an argument and if it looked like that I do apologise...I do however believe I was stating my opinion.I believe 6 weeks pct for a 16 week run which had deca in and whilst hcg was run is too much that's all..good luck.

[austinite]

^ No sweat sorry I misunderstood.

[NACH3]

Not really. I mean, no one really knows exactly what formula to use. Deca is likely the harshest steroid on your HPTA, therefore it is wise to extend PCT timing. The 2 week difference between the cycles mentioned (14 weeks vs 16 weeks) is not an impactful amount of time. 10 weeks vs. 18 weeks is a big difference and would call for a more aggressive PCT.

We have to remember that all of this is very individualistic and cannot be quantified with a formula, but based on history and how drugs interact with the majority, you can make judgment calls for the betterment of recovery. In other words, you can assume you'll be OK, or you can take some extra measure to better your chances at recovery.

The best method in my opinion for the common cycles with Deca (12 to 14 weeks), is to extend PCT for 2 additional weeks. You can use Nolvadex and drop clomiphene after the 4th week. Then you would wait 6 to 8 weeks and confirm recovery with blood work. If the results fail, run another PCT for 4 weeks and retest. If you're good, you're good.

Hey Aus.... Is it b/c of the deca that you'd run another 4 wk pct(if T-levels aren't at desired levels) or any time one is not fully recovered?? Just curious more so(as my T-levels are shot - I'm primary - appt for TRT in July)
Thx

[Joco71]

Not really. I mean, no one really knows exactly what formula to use. Deca is likely the harshest steroid on your HPTA, therefore it is wise to extend PCT timing. The 2 week difference between the cycles mentioned (14 weeks vs 16 weeks) is not an impactful amount of time. 10 weeks vs. 18 weeks is a big difference and would call for a more aggressive PCT.

We have to remember that all of this is very individualistic and cannot be quantified with a formula, but based on history and how drugs interact with the majority, you can make judgment calls for the betterment of recovery. In other words, you can assume you'll be OK, or you can take some extra measure to better your chances at recovery.

The best method in my opinion for the common cycles with Deca (12 to 14 weeks), is to extend PCT for 2 additional weeks. You can use Nolvadex and drop clomiphene after the 4th week. Then you would wait 6 to 8 weeks and confirm recovery with blood work. If the results fail, run another PCT for 4 weeks and retest. If you're good, you're good.

Thank you for the info Austinite I appreciate it!

[Buster Brown]

when running PCT 2 weeks longer, what would the clom/nolva doses be per day for those extra 2 weeks?

Clo would be 50 mgs a day and nov would be 20 mgs a day. If clo gets to be too much sides wise then at least run the nov the whole six weeks.

[austinite]

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Hey Aus.... Is it b/c of the deca that you'd run another 4 wk pct(if T-levels aren't at desired levels) or any time one is not fully recovered?? Just curious more so(as my T-levels are shot - I'm primary - appt for TRT in July)
Thx

Not really, NACH. If any cycle compounds cause a PCT to fail, it's wise to run another PCT round before you seek long-term treatment. Be it clomiphene for several months or TRT. These final decisions should be made based on age. The younger a person is, the more likely they are a candidate for recovery with SERM therapy.

[NACH3]

Not really, NACH. If any cycle compounds cause a PCT to fail, it's wise to run another PCT round before you seek long-term treatment. Be it clomiphene for several months or TRT. These final decisions should be made based on age. The younger a person is, the more likely they are a candidate for recovery with SERM therapy.

Perfect - was what I was thinking(regarding the extra pct) but wanted to understand it more so ... Always exhaust all avenues(of course) b4 going on to anykind permanent therapy(clomid/TRT etc).... Thx for your input aus!!