Gallstones

**Mr.BB** · 06-05-2015, 05:36 AM

Doing a medical checkup for a new cycle just found that I got small stones in the gallbladder, which I think are from accutane use.
Im asymtomatic apart from a kind of small pressure under ribs, on right side, every now and then, not very often, ussually after heavy meals.
Going to start ursofalk (UDCA), doctor prescribed.

So should I postpone cycling because of this? Opinions?

**numbere** · 06-05-2015, 09:06 AM

Hey BB that's some rough news. Kidney stones are the male equivalent to giving birth. I'm from the school of thought that one should always fix all medical issues before cycling, because more compounds only complicate the situation. I take accutane for 2-3 months during the summer and during every cycle. How log have you taken accutane?

**Mr.BB** · 06-05-2015, 10:06 AM

No, no.... Not kidney stones ffs lololok

Gallbladder stones is quite mild compared to kidney stones uffff.

Originally Posted by numbere

Hey BB that's some rough news. Kidney stones are the male equivalent to giving birth. I'm from the school of thought that one should always fix all medical issues before cycling, because more compounds only complicate the situation. I take accutane for 2-3 months during the summer and during every cycle. How log have you taken accutane?

**Who_Am_I** · 06-05-2015, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Doing a medical checkup for a new cycle just found that I got small stones in the gallbladder, which I think are from accutane use.
Im asymtomatic apart from a kind of small pressure under ribs, on right side, every now and then, not very often, ussually after heavy meals.
Going to start ursofalk (UDCA), doctor prescribed.

So should I postpone cycling because of this? Opinions?

Given that AAS can cause Cholestasis, especially orals, I would hold off it were me.

**NACH3** · 06-05-2015, 12:05 PM

What the doc have to say, BB? About the Gallstones? Did you mention cycling(I know your in UK(but I'm guessing not)... Did he seem to think it was a bigger problem than most cases?! I'm just trying to get some more info...

**Mr.BB** · 06-05-2015, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

What the doc have to say, BB? About the Gallstones? Did you mention cycling(I know your in UK(but I'm guessing not)... Did he seem to think it was a bigger problem than most cases?! I'm just trying to get some more info...

Doc at ultrasound said I have small (<5mm) gallstones, it should be kept under observation.

My doc also thinks is from the isotretinoin, but he still did not see the ultrasound report, both did not sound very worried about it.

I dont tell anyone about AAS usage

**NACH3** · 06-05-2015, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Doc at ultrasound said I have small (<5mm) gallstones, it should be kept under observation.

My doc also thinks is from the isotretinoin, but he still did not see the ultrasound report, both did not sound very worried about it.

I dont tell anyone about AAS usage

Lol I didn't think you did

I think w/the treatment and if they didn't seem 'to worried' sounds like you caught it in good time - I'd think you'll have to delay(when we're you going to run)?

I'd do just that and monitor(obvio) then get a check b4 to see where your at... If still there is get it straightened out - but you have some time right...

**Who_Am_I** · 06-05-2015, 02:46 PM

Mr.BB were you planning to run any orals?

**numbere** · 06-05-2015, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

I got small stones in the gallbladder

Jeez not sure I mixed that up. No more posting before I've had some morning coffee.

**NACH3** · 06-05-2015, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

Jeez not sure I mixed that up. No more posting before I've had some morning coffee.

I know how you feel!

I posted something pretty dumb the other day - got told through a pm to fix - I was thinking wkly and listed ed... Big difference...lol

**Mr.BB** · 06-05-2015, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

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Lol I didn't think you did

I think w/the treatment and if they didn't seem 'to worried' sounds like you caught it in good time - I'd think you'll have to delay(when we're you going to run)?

I'd do just that and monitor(obvio) then get a check b4 to see where your at... If still there is get it straightened out - but you have some time right...

Will talk to doctor next week and see what he thinks, was trying to get some feedback from members who might have had same problem.

Originally Posted by Who_Am_I

Mr.BB were you planning to run any orals?

The plan was to stop accutane (as I only get acne in PCT and after) and do 4 weeks dbol kickstarter.

Originally Posted by numbere

Jeez not sure I mixed that up. No more posting before I've had some morning coffee.

Sorry for not telling you by PM

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 05:31 AM

Hey BB! I got a little something I can share with you about gall stones. My alt/ast came back a little high on my bloods and my doc of course knows I'm on but with everything great on bloods he made the comment could just be some gallstones. Told him never any pain nothing he said we'll try a quick clean out if you want. Dude wow never even knew I had gall stones till I saw them! Wow again unbelievable ! There's a 24 hr fast with pure apple cider only then 8 Oz of olive oil and some Epsom salts and dude the next day o my God the energy and renewed feeling plus it lowered my levels back to normal range. They where only about 20 points high but wow! Google gall bladder cleanse and you will find it if not let me know and I'll type out the whole process but it's easy to find. Oh and I passed kidney stones along time ago and you are right gall stones are nothing..... Kidney stones kick a tough mother****ers ass!

**Mr.BB** · 06-06-2015, 07:31 AM

Thanks Tectime!!

Yeah, I've read about the cleanses, but wasnt sure if it was bs or what. Going to shop for apple juice and epson salts ASAP

Originally Posted by tectime

Hey BB! I got a little something I can share with you about gall stones. My alt/ast came back a little high on my bloods and my doc of course knows I'm on but with everything great on bloods he made the comment could just be some gallstones. Told him never any pain nothing he said we'll try a quick clean out if you want. Dude wow never even knew I had gall stones till I saw them! Wow again unbelievable ! There's a 24 hr fast with pure apple cider only then 8 Oz of olive oil and some Epsom salts and dude the next day o my God the energy and renewed feeling plus it lowered my levels back to normal range. They where only about 20 points high but wow! Google gall bladder cleanse and you will find it if not let me know and I'll type out the whole process but it's easy to find. Oh and I passed kidney stones along time ago and you are right gall stones are nothing..... Kidney stones kick a tough mother****ers ass!

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 12:11 PM

You know it brother! For real it's kinda a pain not eating anything but drinking apple cider ( get the kind full of pulp)plus water for 24 hrs then 8 ozs of olive oil, lay on right side 2 hrs then 8 ozs warm water with 1 tbs of Espon salt, sleep on right side wake up and run to the bathroom. Boom! It's unbelievable, if you have gallstones.... You won't after that! Just look for little green stones.... You'll see them! And really I'm full of energy anyway( one of those never stop ****ers) but man I truly felt even more energetic.

**NACH3** · 06-06-2015, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

You know it brother! For real it's kinda a pain not eating anything but drinking apple cider ( get the kind full of pulp)plus water for 24 hrs then 8 ozs of olive oil, lay on right side 2 hrs then 8 ozs warm water with 1 tbs of Espon salt, sleep on right side wake up and run to the bathroom. Boom! It's unbelievable, if you have gallstones.... You won't after that! Just look for little green stones.... You'll see them! And really I'm full of energy anyway( one of those never stop ****ers) but man I truly felt even more energetic.

That'll clean ya out alright haha

**PrettyPlease?** · 06-06-2015, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

Hey BB! I got a little something I can share with you about gall stones. My alt/ast came back a little high on my bloods and my doc of course knows I'm on but with everything great on bloods he made the comment could just be some gallstones. Told him never any pain nothing he said we'll try a quick clean out if you want. Dude wow never even knew I had gall stones till I saw them! Wow again unbelievable ! There's a 24 hr fast with pure apple cider only then 8 Oz of olive oil and some Epsom salts and dude the next day o my God the energy and renewed feeling plus it lowered my levels back to normal range. They where only about 20 points high but wow! Google gall bladder cleanse and you will find it if not let me know and I'll type out the whole process but it's easy to find. Oh and I passed kidney stones along time ago and you are right gall stones are nothing..... Kidney stones kick a tough mother****ers ass!

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Thanks Tectime!!

Yeah, I've read about the cleanses, but wasnt sure if it was bs or what. Going to shop for apple juice and epson salts ASAP

It is a scam. No way on earth you are passing stones through a bile duct no bigger than the size of pencil lead without suffering serious damage to the bile duct or being in the most excruciating pain ever. What you are seeing in the toilet is what you are ingesting coming out.

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 03:19 PM

No! The apple cider softens them up and the olive oil lubes them, the Espon stimulates stool and boom! What scam from the olive oil people or the epson salts. Maybe it's the apple people huh?! I know for a fact what you see are stones, I have the bloods to show that it lowered my liver values. So what's scam? There's no money to be made by me telling how and that this works, trust me if there was I would have figured it out! Haha! No just try it if you can handle the protocol. If not shut the **** up if you don't know what your talking about!

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

That'll clean ya out alright haha

You bet it will! Haha! You know I took a pic of it to shut my ok lady ! Wish I'd a kept it I'd pm it to the doubter !

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 03:26 PM

Plus doubter boy .... Think about it ! 24 hrs no food only water and apple cider ! Exactly what do you think is in your bowels by then? Right water and apple cider ! Unless you haven't shit in a week..... Then you got a lot of other issues !

**PrettyPlease?** · 06-06-2015, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

No! The apple cider softens them up and the olive oil lubes them, the Espon stimulates stool and boom! What scam from the olive oil people or the epson salts. Maybe it's the apple people huh?! I know for a fact what you see are stones, I have the bloods to show that it lowered my liver values. So what's scam? There's no money to be made by me telling how and that this works, trust me if there was I would have figured it out! Haha! No just try it if you can handle the protocol. If not shut the **** up if you don't know what your talking about!

Not only is what you are recommending a scam, it is potentially dangerous as well. How much medical training did you say you had. And congratulations. You have labs to show your "liver" values went down. First of all. Your ALT and AST are not specific to the liver. They are also found in skeletal muscle and given that they weren't that high to begin with they were likely elevated as a result of your training. Correlation does not equal causation. Your drawing an awfully big conclusion from a glimpse inside your body on two separate occasions. There is so much more wrong with your posts but I don't have the time or desire to address it all. I have a feeling it will be an exercise in futility.

Once again I encourage anyone considering this to do 2 minutes of research and they will see what a scam this is.

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 04:18 PM

3 years med school course it was in the eighties. But dude I've had many looks inside my body. Many bloods and yes it can be skeletal ! If you're pregnant or have broken bones which I am or have neither. Exercise related been at it along time ( with many many bloods ) and never elevated liver values. Did the same cleanse a month after the first one ( cause it really made my abs pop!) and nothing no stones in the mix, why cause they came out the first time. Dude all I'm telling about is a personal experience that benefited me. If you think it's s scam cool I don't gives **** what you think, and there's nothing in my posts ever that isn't from my personal experience..... I don't claim any medical knowledge even though I have 3yrs of education, my forte is industrial construction.... Power plants, refineries, nuclear facilities..... 30 yrs of it but again if you think it's a scam..... Cool.... Who gives a shit. I know what it did and what I saw. And you are right it would be ridiculous for you to try to respond to my posts in an intelligent banter of the wits. Haha! Way out of your league junior!

**PrettyPlease?** · 06-06-2015, 08:16 PM

How on earth does the oil or apple cider vinegar get into the liver and gallbladder in the first place? At the very least please explain that?

**Mr.BB** · 06-06-2015, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by PrettyPlease?

It is a scam. No way on earth you are passing stones through a bile duct no bigger than the size of pencil lead without suffering serious damage to the bile duct or being in the most excruciating pain ever. What you are seeing in the toilet is what you are ingesting coming out.

Dude c'mon... If you wanna say it doesnt work and explain why be my guest, but saying its a scam you are out of line.

It can only be dangerous if one has the gallbladder blocked.

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by PrettyPlease?

How on earth does the oil or apple cider vinegar get into the liver and gallbladder in the first place? At the very least please explain that?

Read up on how the digestive system works! Really dude how does everything we ingest go thru the liver duh! What a goob? Is that the best question you can come up with to dispute.? It's ok you don't understand how it all works just keep researching and you will soon have the light turned on in your little dark corner. It's not a liver cleanse it's a gall bladder flush. The gall bladder excretes bile every time you eat anything ( again part of the digestive system ) gallstones are not like kidney stones. They actually look like little green gel balls when they are passed. But again I don't expect you to understand it's ok I don't mind explaining! But come up with at least a high school equivalent to anatomy and physiology question not an eighth grade one!

**NACH3** · 06-06-2015, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

You bet it will! Haha! You know I took a pic of it to shut my ok lady ! Wish I'd a kept it I'd pm it to the doubter !

Oh I've never heard you once claim anything that you've not experienced or just know haha -

Besides the fact that I have GI problems and Epson salt will indeed stimulate your stool... LOL -

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 09:30 PM

Right on man! You know I'm not one who's trying to build up posts or even trying to impress anyone here. I don't know or see any one on here personally so what would be the point. I just had a little info to hopefully help a brother out and I get some goob wanting to do Internet jousting ! Haha! You know it's all about spreading the love and knowledge amongst the deserving, by deserving I mean people that are truly living this lifestyle not any want to be's and nair de wellers slack jawed gawkers or hinge back dumb asses. But hey I'm always up to a good debate! Hahaha oh my !

**PrettyPlease?** · 06-06-2015, 09:42 PM

So if I swallow a bunch of olive oil it's going to go inside my gallbladder? Lmao! You have got to be trolling.

I don't expect you to understand what you don't know. I doubt there are many on here with more anatomy or physiology education then myself. All you've done is resort to name calling to defend your position. There is ZERO scientific support for what you are claiming. Yes people find stones in the toilet but they have been analyzed and are NOT gallstones. As some one with a real medical and scientific background I cannot stand people spreading quackery.

Anyway I'm done with your incoherent ramblings. Im going to go and try to "live this lifestyle" lol

**PrettyPlease?** · 06-06-2015, 09:48 PM

Just finished a steak dinner. How long do you think before its inside my gallbladder?

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 09:54 PM

Never but your gall bladder started excreting bile as soon as you started chewing. If you had any knowledge of Anatomy and physiology you would've quit commenting many posts ago. I tire of dealing with you again I don't care. And name calling might just be my way of provoking you and actually doing some studying and having a little more knowledge next time you want to try to contradict someone who I guarantee knowledge is far in excess of yours.

**PrettyPlease?** · 06-06-2015, 09:55 PM

I know you fell for BS and are too proud to admit it but in case you are actually interested in learning something I will leave this here for you: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_v4jME856DU

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 10:01 PM

I don't need to google a u tube vid to educate myself. Hahaha dude now you're showing more ignorance. Dude it's got nothing to do with pride it has to do with experience. Do you even know what he word scam means ? Who the **** is fraudulently gaining financially from this info!!? It's 6 dollars worth of cider 8 dollars worth of olive oil and a dimes worth of epson salt. The procedure was given to me free of charge as it was given here for you of charge. Again you're showing your ignorance.

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 10:03 PM

And good day to you now ! I need to do my evening ab routine so study on maybe someday you will be there!

**PrettyPlease?** · 06-06-2015, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

And name calling might just be my way of provoking you and actually doing some studying and having a little more knowledge next time you want to try to contradict someone who I guarantee knowledge is far in excess of yours.

3 years medical education (whatever that means) and you have more knowledge than me lol.

I like how just because I don't have a high post count it's assumed I must not be knowledgeable. Been on these forums as a member, moderator, and admin for over a decade.

**tectime** · 06-06-2015, 10:33 PM

Oh my....it means 5 yrs college with 3 of them in the medical field. Your post count doesn't mean anything to me nor does any of the other mod, member whatever you what to be. Your posts tonight are where I base my opinion! Educate before you elaborate it might help me not to look like such a dumbass! Oh name calling again but really you have offered no tangible nor useful information in your posts. I speak from personal experience on this you are just blowing air !

**Mr.BB** · 07-16-2015, 04:39 PM

Updating for future reference.

My doctor says the 7mm single stone is only to worry if it moves to the ducts of the biliary tract, which will be an acute cholecystitis. Also, it is likely to be growing for a few years, so steroid use or accutane use is not the culprit here. Doc says its more genetic or dietary related, although high estrogen could also have an influence (always use AI).

**NACH3** · 07-16-2015, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Updating for future reference.

My doctor says the 7mm single stone is only to worry if it moves to the ducts of the biliary tract, which will be an acute cholecystitis. Also, it is likely to be growing for a few years, so steroid use or accutane use is not the culprit here. Doc says its more genetic or dietary related, although high estrogen could also have an influence (always use AI).

Are they going to monitor it now? So, it sounds like all is ok... At this time and hopefully forever, or did they say how much of a probability it is of getting cholecystitis?

**Krb367** · 07-16-2015, 10:31 PM

Take it for what it's worth.. But if you now know that you do have a gallstone(s), and are noticing any type of pain, hold off on the cycle..

I've done one cycle. Test only. Anyways, I ended up having to have emergency surgery to remove my gallbladder almost a year ago. Perfect timing, a week after my last pin, which was a week before I needed to start pct. I was out of commission from lifting for almost two months. Everything I gained went down the drain. Ran my pct, but not working out and being able to eat like I needed to definitely took its toll.. You never realize HOW MUCH you use your abdominal muscles for everything you do until you use them with 4 fresh holes cut into them. I could barely get out of bed or sit up off of the couch for a week.

**Krb367** · 07-16-2015, 10:42 PM

And I'm not trying to get in on this debate, but yes that olive oil is going to pass through your gallbladder.. Lol

Even a tablespoon of olive oil on top of rice and I'm in the bathroom shitting my brains out 20 minutes later. Why? Because I no longer have a gallbladder full of bile to break down the fatty oil.

If this old home remedy really works or not, idk. But I damn sure wish I would've known about it! I would have much rather tried that and been out $25, instead of the $2300 in medical bills left over after insurance.

**Mr.BB** · 07-17-2015, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Are they going to monitor it now? So, it sounds like all is ok... At this time and hopefully forever, or did they say how much of a probability it is of getting cholecystitis?

Trying to dissolve the stone with prescribed UDCA, but its a slow process, will do another ultra-sound to check for changes in a year. Doc says many times UDCA is able to dissolve the stone, and that acute cholecystitis is rare while on it.

**WhiteBoy18** · 07-17-2015, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Trying to dissolve the stone with prescribed UDCA, but its a slow process, will do another ultra-sound to check for changes in a year. Doc says many times UDCA is able to dissolve the stone, and that acute cholecystitis is rare while on it.

I had my gallbladder removed when I was 16 because of stones. They gave me two options. Break the stones up with some sort of laser every 5 years, or get it removed forever. Painful few weeks that's for sure.

...then 6 months later I also had my appendix removed