Next cycle

**Klaus88** · 06-05-2015, 07:31 AM

Hey guys I'm new to the forum. I'm planning my second cycle. My first cycle was 10 weeks of test prop at 525mg a week. I'm 6'0 and 185 lbs. I was doing mandatory cheer workouts with the university so I didn't get the benefit of doing my bodybuilding split but gained nice strength. Now I'm done with cheer and am making good progress. I am 21 now. Was looking to throw in npp for my second cycle butits pretty expensive so was also looking at tren . I would like some advice. My goal is to lean out a bit and maybe Putin a bit of muscle in the process. Let's know what you think.

**Oki-Des** · 06-05-2015, 07:58 AM

Hello, and sorry you have not gotten more replies. I think the problem is that your HPTA is not matured and people do not want to give you bad advice. You have a good build, although if you are 6' tall you look like you weigh more than 185. Nevertheless, you should read the thread called "the young and steroids ." If you decide to ignore the information and take steroids anyways, you definitely should stay away from tren . Good luck!

**Klaus88** · 06-05-2015, 08:13 AM

Thanks for the reply, I'm going to give it a look. Most advice I've seen to people younger than me was wait till you're 21 ha, so I went ahead. I was comparing compounds and there were many other choices I would've preferred but the college student in me kicked in so I was looking for the bang for your dollar. The only problem I have with the npp is my source only has amps of npp and it runs quite a bit more, than 50mg/day of tren . I'll look into that article though and make some decisions.

**pitweiler** · 06-05-2015, 08:35 AM

Cycling under the age of 25 is really risky and could potentially cause you some life long problems.

**numbere** · 06-05-2015, 09:32 AM

Hey man I was on the cheer team for 2 years when I did my undergrad, it was a lot of fun. You have a nice base going but to be honest you are too young and cycling now just isn't worth the risk. Not only is your HPTA still developing but your bone structure is also still growing. Plus there are many issues cycling young can cause that show themselves until later in life. That's the end of that rant. Decca and tren are some of the worst two compounds you can put into your body rite now. They both shut the HPTA down very quickly after the initial dose. Even if you were older second cycles should not include decca or tren.

**Klaus88** · 06-05-2015, 10:05 AM

I appreciate all the advice guys. I'm going to put off cycling for at least 6 months then reassess. I am 6' and the weight being at 185 lbs is probably due to my cut leaving my glycogen low, plus being on an empty stomach. My goal was to gain more core definition as I've never been this close to having defined abs before, but not be so small while wearing a large shirt that I look puny. I've started incorporating some intense core training, so I'll see what I can make of this.

**kelkel** · 06-05-2015, 10:14 AM

Hit the Nutrition Forum here Klaus and let the vet's there help you.

**dfarre** · 06-05-2015, 10:18 AM

Did your estrogen get high while on cycle? If not then no need to use tren , just do another test cycle. That's BS about not using tren on second cycle, if a person is prone to high estrogen and estrogenic side-effects there's not many other options. Maybe primobolan but that is expensive and rare as ****.
What was your natural test level pre cycle? If it was high then there's no reason to use steroids at all.

**Klaus88** · 06-05-2015, 10:45 AM

My diet on a cut is 2000 calories going 50/20/30 p/c/f. I don't ever eat out because I feel like crap afterwards. On my test only cycle I didn't experience any sides. I had adex on hand but never needed it. All in all it went pretty smooth with an easy recovery.

**Klaus88** · 06-05-2015, 10:51 AM

And sorry dfarre didn't mean to dodge the question regarding test level pre-cycle. I've never had blood work done to determine it. I was thinking about getting one before next one whenever that is just out of curiosity.

**numbere** · 06-05-2015, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by dfarre

Did your estrogen get high while on cycle? If not then no need to use tren , just do another test cycle. That's BS about not using tren on second cycle, if a person is prone to high estrogen and estrogenic side-effects there's not many other options. Maybe primobolan but that is expensive and rare as ****.
What was your natural test level pre cycle? If it was high then there's no reason to use steroids at all.

Tren is an advanced compound and should not be used for second cycles period. Tren does not control e2 levles that is the role of an AI. If one is prone to a high rate of aromatization the solution is not to use tren. They should run test only cycles and have blood work in order to know how to properly dose their AI.

**dfarre** · 06-06-2015, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

Tren is an advanced compound and should not be used for second cycles period. Tren does not control e2 levles that is the role of an AI. If one is prone to a high rate of aromatization the solution is not to use tren. They should run test only cycles and have blood work in order to know how to properly dose their AI.

There are no advanced compounds. Use tren and what ever in the first cycle if you so please, it just costs too much and has more side effects, if someone is OK with that I see no problem. That test only cycle talk is BS, that's like saying you can't **** a 40 year old woman before you have ****ed a 20 year old.

**kelkel** · 06-06-2015, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by dfarre

There are no advanced compounds. Use tren and what ever in the first cycle if you so please, it just costs too much and has more side effects, if someone is OK with that I see no problem. That test only cycle talk is BS, that's like saying you can't **** a 40 year old woman before you have ****ed a 20 year old.

Horrible advice.

**Buster Brown** · 06-06-2015, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by dfarre

There are no advanced compounds. Use tren and what ever in the first cycle if you so please, it just costs too much and has more side effects, if someone is OK with that I see no problem. That test only cycle talk is BS, that's like saying you can't **** a 40 year old woman before you have ****ed a 20 year old.

That is NOT sound advice.....Rather careless and wreck less.

**dfarre** · 06-06-2015, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Horrible advice.

That's not advice, just saying that there are no levels of advanced etc. You can use whatever you want whenever you want, just have to be aware of the side effects and cost. If I had the money I wouldn't use either test or tren , I would blast primo, masteron and HGH.

**numbere** · 06-06-2015, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by dfarre

There are no advanced compounds. Use tren and what ever in the first cycle if you so please, it just costs too much and has more side effects, if someone is OK with that I see no problem. That test only cycle talk is BS, that's like saying you can't **** a 40 year old woman before you have ****ed a 20 year old.

How do you not see a problem with someone using a compound with more potential side effects when they have little to no experience with AAS. That analogy is so horrible that it's not even relevant.

Originally Posted by dfarre

That's not advice, just saying that there are no levels of advanced etc. You can use whatever you want whenever you want, just have to be aware of the side effects and cost. If I had the money I wouldn't use either test or tren, I would blast primo, masteron and HGH.

Haha of course there are levels of advanced AAS cycles! Being aware of side effects is completely different then knowing how your body reacts to certain compounds and how to treat those reactions. If you would use primo, mast, hgh and not use test then you are a total fool.