Blasting/Cruising for too long cause lethargy?

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 12:47 PM

I'm trying to figure out the cause of my lethargy the last few months. I've been blasting and cruising for about 1.5 years I believe. Can this be the cause of my general tiredness and lack of motivation that I used to have? My bloods are all good, I give blood regularly, my diet is pretty good except I do regularly have a couple beers during the week, BP is fine.
I do notice a bit of feeling more motivation when I run Tren , but the other side effects suck.
Thanks in advance.

**tice1212** · 06-11-2015, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by WMSuperSport

I'm trying to figure out the cause of my lethargy the last few months. I've been blasting and cruising for about 1.5 years I believe. Can this be the cause of my general tiredness and lack of motivation that I used to have? My bloods are all good, I give blood regularly, my diet is pretty good except I do regularly have a couple beers during the week, BP is fine.
I do notice a bit of feeling more motivation when I run Tren , but the other side effects suck.
Thanks in advance.

What compounds are u running right now? Are blasting or cruising right now? Are u taking hcg for such a long cycle?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 06-11-2015, 01:14 PM

can you post any bloodwork?

**NACH3** · 06-11-2015, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

can you post any bloodwork?

I was going to ask when the last time you donated blood was?

The viscosity of your blood may be thick(high hematocrit) possibly - but as mentioned above BW will tell the tale...

**clarky.** · 06-11-2015, 01:29 PM

1.5 years of blasting and cruising FFS give your body a rest a don't think you need anybody to tell you that.

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by tice1212

What compounds are u running right now? Are blasting or cruising right now? Are u taking hcg for such a long cycle?

Im getting ready for my vegas vacation in july so Im blasting:
Test E 1g/wk
primo 500/wk
mast e 400/wk
eq 800/wk

Ive never taken hcg . I had borderline low T before I ever touched gear so I know ill never recover anyway, hence the cruising.
I'm going to drop the test E to very little and run a small amount of prop to hopefully gain a little more definition.

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

can you post any bloodwork?

the last bloodwork i had was in march, and with different compounds, so should i still post it? Will it still be useful?

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

I was going to ask when the last time you donated blood was?

The viscosity of your blood may be thick(high hematocrit) possibly - but as mentioned above BW will tell the tale...

It has been maybe a couple of months. I always get a call from the blood donation people when its time to donate again. I'm sure its very close to being time again.

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 02:00 PM

Ive just read about so many people blasting and cruising for years and years and I like it better so I figured it would be all good. I guess I may have to come off everything and run PCT after summer?
That sucks. I could use a break from all the pinning tho

**mark woods** · 06-11-2015, 02:01 PM

Ah lovely another b&c thread...prepare yourself fella for onslaught!!but I will start by saying if your bloodwork is fine then except for the shutdown which you have factored in for then go ahead...I'd say your body prob needs longer cruises,no idea what your cruise doses are or for how long but I'd say prob not long enough,your cns is prob fried or a couple weeks otta the gym!

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 02:10 PM

So far I have cruised at 200mg/wk for a couple months between blasts.
Yeah I figured I was asking for a beating with this question, but I know there are plenty of more knowledgable gear users here than any other board, so that's why I come here to ask the real questions that I want honest and accurate answers.

**mark woods** · 06-11-2015, 02:16 PM

Well my stand point is,its a personal choice,I did it for similar reason low (ish)t levels,I haven't been on as Long as you,7 mths actually and started my first cruise last week 240 test,as for pinning it's something that has to be factored in,hcg I don't bother with,has had no issues thus far,bloodwork is regular too,so no real issues for me,there are tonnes of people doing it whilst I can't speak for them I believe it can be done safely

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 06-11-2015, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by WMSuperSport

the last bloodwork i had was in march, and with different compounds, so should i still post it? Will it still be useful?

I would we curious to see it.
I just saw my friends numbers on just test and winny after he was blasting tren and his numbers were horrible.

**mark woods** · 06-11-2015, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I would we curious to see it.
I just saw my friends numbers on just test and winny after he was blasting tren and his numbers were horrible.

What was horrible about it??I've been on tren since November last,only thing that flagged was estrogen was MILES high only cause with tren use it won't give a proper score oh and my test was almost double other than that everything else was in range.

**Back In Black** · 06-11-2015, 02:37 PM

800mg EW of EQ is probably the cause, only way to know get bloodwork. How long have you been shooting it?

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

800mg EW of EQ is probably the cause, only way to know get bloodwork. How long have you been shooting it?

Its been about 2 months if I had to guess. About a month ago I figured it was dangerous that I can't recall when I started using different compounds and for how long, so I started printing out calendars and I write down what I take and where I pin it lol.
I'm not even sure that the EQ is giving me great results. It's my first time with primo and mast and Im a little disappointed so far. They are both E- ester so I'm just hoping for it to kick in. I wonder if both are bunk or under dosed. I've run EQ before a few times tho.

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

can you post any bloodwork?

Ill figure out how to post it tonight when I get back home. I imagine Ill have to figure out how to black out some info, which I'll have to download a program for my laptop to do.
Thanks guys for the info

**mark woods** · 06-11-2015, 02:44 PM

How old are you?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 06-11-2015, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by mark woods

What was horrible about it??I've been on tren since November last,only thing that flagged was estrogen was MILES high only cause with tren use it won't give a proper score oh and my test was almost double other than that everything else was in range.

His LDL was very high and his HDL was very low. - cholesterol
His ALT and AST levels were also very high. - liver enzymes

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 02:58 PM

32 yo
6'2", 225lbs, roughly 15-17% bf, a little over 2 years cycling experience with almost all compounds, 10 years lifting, what else am I missing...

**Back In Black** · 06-11-2015, 03:02 PM

You're running an AI? Same amount as before when you have taken 1g of test per week?

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 03:05 PM

yes. .5 mg adex eod. Im considering upping to .75 eod because of bloat. I feel like I really need to get bloods done asap. I feel like Im shooting in the dark here.

**Back In Black** · 06-11-2015, 03:07 PM

Can I ask, how come you have gained only 10lbs of LBM in 2 years if you have been B&Cing?

**jimmyinkedup** · 06-11-2015, 03:09 PM

If your gonna blast and cruise backfilling hormonal pathways becomes important like it is when doing trt. HCG can help, also dhea and pregnenolone can help as well.
Ill be honest I did my own self imposed blast andd cruise and to be honest after doing it for some time I realized it isnt all its cracked up to be. I did a restart and ended up with my t levels about 100pts lower than before I started after all was said and done. Blast and cruise was not for me man. Just wasnt worth it. When you need a few hundred mgs of test/week just to feel normal IMO that sucks.

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 03:13 PM

Sure, I have gained more than that. I'd say atleast 25, but I'm no expert. I'm definitely unrecognizable to friends who haven't seen me in a couple of years. It's funny getting their reactions.
But because I have worked 80-100+ hrs a week in an outdoor and somewhat labor involved job for over 4 years, I really haven't been able to make the most of my time. I'm lucky to even workout a few times a week and eat well. It definitely hasnt been easy. Depending how motivated I am, some days I don't even get to sleep. The good news is I just resigned a couple of days ago and am about to start a new job doing much less as a truck driver lol. Still gonna be 60+ hrs a week but thats a breeze.

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

If your gonna blast and cruise backfilling hormonal pathways becomes important like it is when doing trt. HCG can help, also dhea and pregnenolone can help as well.
Ill be honest I did my own self imposed blast andd cruise and to be honest after doing it for some time I realized it isnt all its cracked up to be. I did a restart and ended up with my t levels about 100pts lower than before I started after all was said and done. Blast and cruise was not for me man. Just wasnt worth it. When you need a few hundred mgs of test/week just to feel normal IMO that sucks.

I honestly don't mind the the pinning of a little test a week. It definitely feels alot better than when I never touched gear and my T was about 350. 1 pin a week is nothing. I am not familiar with dhea or pregnenolone but I will definitely look into it since you mentioned it. I started cruising because everytime I came off, I had more problems with acne, energy, libido, etc, than ever, so I just researched and figured it would be better for me, especially since my test was low anyway. Thanks for the replies guys

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 03:22 PM

This forum is greatness. Where else can you get the info from respectful people who have years of experience and knowledge? Thanks guys!

**hawk14dl** · 06-11-2015, 03:25 PM

You've been on those compounds for 2 months, but you were on a different stack in march?

Blast and cruise is no different then cycling. You have to have time off. Difference is, you'd be on test only at a low dose, some guys add low dose deca . . But i digress. Typically only 2 blasts per year. Some may do short burst cycles and get 3-4 in a year. . But you're on a long est cycle so I'd assume that's what you run.

How much time have you been taking between blasts

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 03:27 PM

So is the general opinion to come off and give my system a break for a couple of months?
I personally feel like I should atleast cruise just enough to keep my t level at normal for a couple months after summer, and maybe look into running hcg , dhea, pegnenolone like Jimmy said.
Then I can blast again for another few months?

**WMSuperSport** · 06-11-2015, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by hawk14dl

You've been on those compounds for 2 months, but you were on a different stack in march?

Blast and cruise is no different then cycling. You have to have time off. Difference is, you'd be on test only at a low dose, some guys add low dose deca . . But i digress. Typically only 2 blasts per year. Some may do short burst cycles and get 3-4 in a year. . But you're on a long est cycle so I'd assume that's what you run.

How much time have you been taking between blasts

Yes sir, I blast more than I cruise. I'm definitely no expert and I love the results I get for the most part. I honestly can't tell you that I cruise for more than 6 weeks between blasts. I understand if I'm way off and people wanna tell me how wrong I am. I prolly deserve it. I didn't know to cruise much longer between. I guess I'm desperate to get the results I want, even tho Ill prolly never be happy with how I look.
I've read on other forums about how some of those guys blast/cruise, so I thought I'd roll like that.

**NACH3** · 06-11-2015, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by WMSuperSport

Yes sir, I blast more than I cruise. I'm definitely no expert and I love the results I get for the most part. I honestly can't tell you that I cruise for more than 6 weeks between blasts. I understand if I'm way off and people wanna tell me how wrong I am. I prolly deserve it. I didn't know to cruise much longer between. I guess I'm desperate to get the results I want, even tho Ill prolly never be happy with how I look.
I've read on other forums about how some of those guys blast/cruise, so I thought I'd roll like that.

Yes it's very wise to come off and give your whole body a break! Your CNS snd androgen receptors are fried... You don't grow in the gym but outside(w/proper rest/recivery/etc)... I just think you need to understand the importance of giving your body a break(I just got down that just doing pure HIT at such a high intensity and heavy weight your CNS can not take that kinda load for more than a cycle(off no more than 8wks generally) - im just giving an example of just lifting very heavy at extremely high intensity - it's impossible to keep up if your doing it right - just not possible if you want to risk injury etc than going forth will surely do so...

I'm just saying there's much more to blasting and cruising them just taking compiunds(I know you know this) and at least your getting bw done - I'd say in the mean time(I know what's it's like to have low t - I'll never live like that again) find a doc and cruise on 150-200mgs a wk maybe to high bw will tell

GL

**NACH3** · 06-11-2015, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by WMSuperSport

Yes sir, I blast more than I cruise. I'm definitely no expert and I love the results I get for the most part. I honestly can't tell you that I cruise for more than 6 weeks between blasts. I understand if I'm way off and people wanna tell me how wrong I am. I prolly deserve it. I didn't know to cruise much longer between. I guess I'm desperate to get the results I want, even tho Ill prolly never be happy with how I look.
I've read on other forums about how some of those guys blast/cruise, so I thought I'd roll like that.

Well your here now so fvk those other forums lol - this one is by far the best one out there(we have your safety and health first and foremost here) - I don't know how many hundreds times we've told people not to cycle for either age, weight, haven't reached full potential natty etc its a great forum

**tectime** · 06-11-2015, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

His LDL was very high and his HDL was very low. - cholesterol His ALT and AST levels were also very high. - liver enzymes

That's tren for you! Same with mine. I can stay in massive doses of tes and deca for yrs. and bloods come back perfect. Tren always trashes my cholesterol and liver values.

**kelkel** · 06-11-2015, 04:29 PM

Pull full thyroid and iron panels during your next BW.

**davidtheman100** · 06-11-2015, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

800mg EW of EQ is probably the cause, only way to know get bloodwork. How long have you been shooting it?

I agree 100% with this

**tdoe11** · 06-11-2015, 06:06 PM

I would also say get current blood work and post it. Also a longer cruise in between cycles is probably what you need. That is a pretty heavy cycle in all, close to 3000mgs. How long have you been on this cycle? I also b and c and often I feel lethargic at the beginning of the cycle.

**WMSuperSport** · 06-15-2015, 11:58 AM

Ok guys Ill get bloodwork this week and post up.

tdoe11, ive been on this cycle for only about a month roughly if I recall correctly. Except the Test and EQ. Eq is prolly over 2 months. I cant remember so started printing out calendars recently to keep track of all my shots and AI lol. How long does it take for your lethargy to get better? I'm sure it depends on the compounds and esters?

**tdoe11** · 06-15-2015, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by WMSuperSport

Ok guys Ill get bloodwork this week and post up. tdoe11, ive been on this cycle for only about a month roughly if I recall correctly. Except the Test and EQ. Eq is prolly over 2 months. I cant remember so started printing out calendars recently to keep track of all my shots and AI lol. How long does it take for your lethargy to get better? I'm sure it depends on the compounds and esters?

It's common for me, maybe from weeks one to three to be a little off. That is typically when I am a bit lethargic, have acne and oily skin etc. once my body becomes accustomed to what I am taking its biz as usual.

I would bet my last dollar that your rbc count, hemocrit and hemoglobin levels are elevated. Trt can do that, blast and cruise can do it better and eq is known to do it the best. Please keep us updated with the blood work man. Maybe get drawn then go donate directly after? My bet is you feel better immediately. Good luck, I'm rooting for ya.

**marcus300** · 06-15-2015, 03:23 PM

Get your RBC checked.

**SEOINAGE** · 06-15-2015, 03:37 PM

Does anyone else cruise at the lowest dose possible without having low t symptoms?

I ask because this would give your body the biggest break. Even at 200 mg a week you might be in well above normal levels which can contribute negatively to health. Obviously better than 4g a week, but are people afraid of losing gains at the lower dose?