How effectively can liver values be reduced with TUDCA, Liv52 & NAC while still on?

**NotSmall** · 06-16-2015, 06:58 AM

Anyone have experience of bringing liver values back in line while still on?

I'm 11 weeks into a 15 week run of 800mg test blend & 400mg tren enan per week with 100mg anavar daily and have got a very angry liver - not had bloodwork done as my doc is not cooperative but I have all the symptoms and am confident my liver is suffering.

I have ordered TUDCA, a liver blend containing NAC & milk thistle and Liv52 DS - I will have them all tomorrow - placing most of my faith in the TUDCA but can't see any harm in using every tool at my disposal!

At the end of the day health comes first of course but I really do not want to stop the cycle early if at all avoidable and just wondering if anyone has been in a similar situation and been successful in treating it while still on?

Thanks in advance boys and if we could avoid stating the obvious that I should have been running protectants from the get go that would be ace

**kelkel** · 06-16-2015, 07:15 AM

Very effectively:

http://www.currenttherapeuticres.com...659-9/abstract

Efficacy and safety of tauroursodeoxycholic acid in the treatment of liver cirrhosis: a double-blind randomized controlled trial. - PubMed - NCBI

Efficacy and safety of tauroursodeoxycholic acid in the treatment of liver cirrhosis: a double-blind randomized controlled trial. - PubMed - NCBI

**Mr.BB** · 06-16-2015, 07:18 AM

What symptoms do you have?

**NotSmall** · 06-16-2015, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Very effectively:

http://www.currenttherapeuticres.com...659-9/abstract

Efficacy and safety of tauroursodeoxycholic acid in the treatment of liver cirrhosis: a double-blind randomized controlled trial. - PubMed - NCBI

Efficacy and safety of tauroursodeoxycholic acid in the treatment of liver cirrhosis: a double-blind randomized controlled trial. - PubMed - NCBI

Thanks bud - very encouraging - I appreciate it!

Do you know if anyone on the board has used it to treat symptoms while on and if so how quickly their symptoms abated?

**lovbyts** · 06-16-2015, 07:36 AM

TUDCA is supposed to be good but not proven yet. I would order some UDCA from ar-r if you are having issues.

**NACH3** · 06-16-2015, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

TUDCA is supposed to be good but not proven yet. I would order some UDCA from ar-r if you are having issues.

^^^ UDCA(more for reversal)...

**NotSmall** · 06-16-2015, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

TUDCA is supposed to be good but not proven yet. I would order some UDCA from ar-r if you are having issues.

Everything I've read seems to suggest TUDCA is at least as good as UDCA?

Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

**bigdil511** · 06-16-2015, 07:43 AM

You have a recommended tudca brand? I currently have high liver values.

**lovbyts** · 06-16-2015, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by NotSmall

Everything I've read seems to suggest TUDCA is at least as good as UDCA?

Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

Yeah Ive read most of those but still UDCA has been more tested and proven to help reduce damage I believe. I know if it was me and I was worried about damage I would order UDCA as well. Why take a chance?

I have had very high liver liver values on cycle but they come down right away after and yes worse on tren .

My SGOT/AST was at 201 and SGPT/ALT was 68
2 weeks laterMy SGOT/AST was at 36 and SGPT/ALT was 46

**NotSmall** · 06-16-2015, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Yeah Ive read most of those but still UDCA has been more tested and proven to help reduce damage I believe. I know if it was me and I was worried about damage I would order UDCA as well. Why take a chance?

I have had very high liver liver values on cycle but they come down right away after and yes worse on tren .

My SGOT/AST was at 201 and SGPT/ALT was 68
2 weeks laterMy SGOT/AST was at 36 and SGPT/ALT was 46

I'm in the UK and will get the TUDCA tomorrow, delivery from ar-r from experience could be 2 weeks.

I have sourced the best solution I can get hold of in a timeframe that will be of use to me.

The reason I started the thread was to try to determine how quickly I might see a reduction in symptoms from what I CAN get hold of in order to ascertain whether its realistic to continue with my cycle because the cycle is to get me in shape for something quite important that I have outlaid money for and will not be able to do unless my symptoms ease so if symptoms are unlikely to reduce at all within the 4 weeks I have left then I have a difficult decision to make.

I was hoping someone might have experience of treating liver values whilst still on and therefore be able to advise a timeframe over which they saw an improvement.

**lovbyts** · 06-16-2015, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by NotSmall

I'm in the UK and will get the TUDCA tomorrow, delivery from ar-r from experience could be 2 weeks.

I have sourced the best solution I can get hold of in a timeframe that will be of use to me.

The reason I started the thread was to try to determine how quickly I might see a reduction in symptoms from what I CAN get hold of in order to ascertain whether its realistic to continue with my cycle because the cycle is to get me in shape for something quite important that I have outlaid money for and will not be able to do unless my symptoms ease so if symptoms are unlikely to reduce at all within the 4 weeks I have left then I have a difficult decision to make.

I was hoping someone might have experience of treating liver values whilst still on and therefore be able to advise a timeframe over which they saw an improvement.

Did you read the bottom part of my last post? What are your values at?

**Mr.BB** · 06-16-2015, 08:14 AM

Can you tell us which symptoms you are having so we can better help you?

**NotSmall** · 06-16-2015, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

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Did you read the bottom part of my last post? What are your values at?

Yes I did but I read it that your values came down AFTER your cycle ended? - Did I misconstrue that?

Also - was that with UDCA or TUDCA?

As I said in my first post - not had bloods done as doc will not cooperate but I am very confident that they are very elevated.

**lovbyts** · 06-16-2015, 09:10 AM

No you are correct, right after cycle like 2 or 3 weeks. I though that was your plan to stop a couple of weeks before so they would come down.

**NotSmall** · 06-16-2015, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

No you are correct, right after cycle like 2 or 3 weeks. I though that was your plan to stop a couple of weeks before so they would come down.

Nah bud I'm hoping to be able to complete the cycle - I'll just have to play it by ear - my plethora of liver supps arrives tomorrow so will dose the TUDCA at 2000mg day one, then run it at 1500mg per day for a week and see what happens - will probably reduce to 1000mg per day after the first week though - all the while running the liv52 and the other liver support supp containing milk thistle & NAC for added back up.

Your results are still encouraging but I was kinda optimistically hoping someone would chime in and tell me they used TUDCA etc for liver issues while still on cycle and saw a nice quick turnaround - will piss me off if I have to abandon the cycle...