Just started 5 week cycle of Tren A, Test P and Anavar. Need advice

[wild_eye]

Hi, Been reading up but need some advice.
I'll get the basic info out of the way:
I'm 40 years old, 5'10", 156 lbs with 13% bodyfat. I have been going to the gym for many years.
About 10 years ago I did one cycle of Deca, Sust and Dbol with real good results (gained about 38 lbs)
3 years later I lost most of what I had gained (got sick, no lifting, hardly eating for 9 months) so only kept about 10lbs.

I chose a 5 week cycle to minimize the probability of the side effects. Particularly the hairloss (I have a full head of hair (always had high hairline) but hairloss runs in a lot of my family) and I'm worried about shutting down my test production for too long since in a recent lab work I found out I have low testosterone (was feeling down, with anxiety, little energy)

I feel safer making small gains little by little just for peace of mind.
I would be happy with gaining 5-10lbs and dropping 2-3% bodyfat. Not sure if thats possible with this cycle but I guess I'll find out.

What I started this past sunday is:
week 1-5 = Test P - 50mg eod
week 1-5 = Tren A - 50mg eod
week 1-5 = Anavar - 50mg ed
week 1-4 = HCG (???)
week 6+ clomid + ????

Going to start HCG tonight to help keep "the boys" running.
3 questions I hope you can help me with:
1 - I would like to know if HCG 3 times a week (m, w, f) 300ui is good or 2 times 500ui. (or what you recommend)
2 - Should I run some nolva just incase or just wait to see if get any gyno effects?
3 - For PCT I have clomid but not sure how much/long or if to add anything else...

Really appreciate your help with this.

Thanks and regards

[numbere]

Honestly no offense but at 5'10" 156 lbs you don't need AAS you need to eat. At this stage you only need to cycle with test to see amazing results. Adding any other compounds will only give unwanted sides for no real benefit. Just drop everything besides the test p and run it at 100-150 mg/EOD for 6 weeks. Are you using an AI or a DA? Hcg 2 times a week at 250 IU is the proper dosage. Nolva dose not prevent gyno it treats the symptoms. If you want to prevent gyno or high estrogen you need an AI. You need nolva and clomid for a through PCT.

You are injecting some rather powerful hormones that you don't have enough knowledge about to do safely. Do some more research and get a solid diet down or you will regret doing this cycle. I think you should stop this cycle tonight before you really hurt yourself.

[wild_eye]

Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. Taking it into serious consideration. I ran this because I know three guys that ran tren a, test p and anavar like this and had great results so I was sold on it but of course maybe they were just lucky they didn't have anything go wrong. Since I do have the low test already that is my big concern. Figured keeping it short would be safer... Thanks for looking out.

[numbere]

I know what you mean I like short esters as well, but pinning EOD can become difficult for someone with virgin muscle. Did your friends who ran this cycle ha blood work pre mid and post cycle? Pre cycle BW lets you know if your healthy enough to cycle. Mid cycle BW will tell you your prolactin level (important with tren) and estrogen level. High or low estrogen is probably the most unhealthy thing that can happen on cycle and does not always have physical side effects. Estrogen can be controlled with an aromatase inhibitor. Post cycle BW lets you know if you have fully recovered after a nova/clomid PCT.

I'm not sure who your friends are or their background but if they had any concern for your health they would not have suggested this type of cycle. I don't mean to scare you but there is a possibility this cycle will lower your natural test even more when everything is is finished. This can be exacerbated by not doing a proper PCT of clomid and nolva.

I'm surprised you went with tren and var if you are mindful of hairless. Both of these compounds can be a bit rough on the hairline. I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but for your physique and goals this cycle is total overkill. Test would be more than enough for a 5-10 pound gain. Heck, just eating 500 calories over your TDEE should give you those kind of results. Do you know your TDEE? Attached below is a thread written for beginners. It's a great read and will hopefully get you to better understand the message I'm trying to convey. After you read it post any questions you have and someone here will help you out.

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[wild_eye]

I'm going to follow your wise advice. I do admit it was counter productive of me to go with tren if I'm worried about my test level and hair loss.
Guess I got caught up in all the hype.
I will drop the tren and anavar.
I'll continue with the test as in the beginners thread describes
Since I have test p, it will be 100mg eod.
I'll do the hcg 250 twice a week.

I'll see if I can get my hands on arimidex and start as soon as get it.
The guys I know had told me to deal with gyno only if I get symptoms, guess they need some help too haha
Definitely a lot better to proactive than reactive.

Nolva and Clomid for PCT
I never heard of that N-Acetyl Cysteine...
Not sure if can find that. Anything else that's good to substitute for liver protection?
No one else chimed in. hehe
Guess you said it so well that they didn't need to.

Thanks again for the help.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I'm 40 years old, 5'10", 156 lbs with 13% bodyfat. I have been going to the gym for many years.
I would be happy with gaining 5-10lbs and dropping 2-3% bodyfat. Not sure if thats possible with this cycle but I guess I'll find out.

Not gonna happen in 5 weeks.
For you to gain 5 pounds and drop 2% bodyfat you would have to....
gain 7.5lbs of muscle and lose 2.5lbs of fat

For you to gain 10 pounds and drop 3% bodyfat you would have to...
gain 12lbs of muscle and lose 2lbs of fat

Both are impossible in 5 weeks IMHO.

[numbere]

I'm going to follow your wise advice. I do admit it was counter productive of me to go with tren if I'm worried about my test level and hair loss.
Guess I got caught up in all the hype.
I will drop the tren and anavar.
I'll continue with the test as in the beginners thread describes
Since I have test p, it will be 100mg eod.
I'll do the hcg 250 twice a week.

I'll see if I can get my hands on arimidex and start as soon as get it.
The guys I know had told me to deal with gyno only if I get symptoms, guess they need some help too haha
Definitely a lot better to proactive than reactive.

Nolva and Clomid for PCT
I never heard of that N-Acetyl Cysteine...
Not sure if can find that. Anything else that's good to substitute for liver protection?
No one else chimed in. hehe
Guess you said it so well that they didn't need to.

Thanks again for the help.

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Sometimes I can find NAC at CVS, if not the I usually go to GNC or Vitamin Shoppe. NAC at 1200 mg/day is a good dose while using injectables.

[wild_eye]

Ok, I hadn't looked at gaining 5 lbs and dropping bodyfatf like that.
I guess I can at least gain 5 lbs and stay at the same bodyfat... :/
I started with just test p tonight and the hcg. Tomorrow I get the Ari so I should be good from here until PCT.
I thought NAC was something prescribed. haha I'll drop by Vitamin shoppe to get it.
I'll post back with the outcome... If I don't have any questions before then.
Thx!

[wild_eye]

Hi, by the end of this week I should be finishing my 10ml bottle of test p.
It was supposed to last 5 weeks but since I changed the cycle to just test 100 eod, it threw the planning off a bit.

Question.... Now that I have to get another bottle should I continue with test p or change to another test (longer ester, less pinning since I'm not running tren)?
Would the change have harmful effects?

Thanks

[hawk14dl]

If you started with prop just run more prop.

Running a shorter cycle will help minimize sides.

Curious, you mentioned you were tested and have low t.. are you planning to be treated for this?

[numbere]

You're killing me man. I told you you should stop and do more research. You more or less either have to continue with test p or go into PCT. A longer ester test will take 4-5 weeks before you notice the effects.

[wild_eye]

Thanks for quick replies guys.
Yes, I'm going to have this treated.
I was planning on doing a cycle before I had gone to the doc. I went to the doc to get lab work done to see if I was ok and the low t showed up.
I told him was already planning on running a cycle.
He did not ask for details just said everything else was ok so I could start and that the cycle would help me feel better and to go back once done to get lab work done again.
I've seen low t is sometimes treated with test so I guess he figured I would be ok.
I was hoping the cycle and PCT would help get me back on track.