What does your PCT look like?

[Mountainman360]

And also what are your opinions on which pct 'supplements' promote the fastest recovery. Anyone take otc supplements during pct on top of their serms/ai etc.? lets hear what everyone runs for a pct and why!

[Back In Black]

We have a pct section for this.

But, How about you tell us your usual PCT to start us off?

[lovbyts]

Testosterone Cypionate + HCG + Dbol?

There are 2 major components involved in recovery. Testosterone production and Spermatogenesis.

LH and FSH are both required for the equation. LH is produced by the pituitary and stimulates the Leydig cells to produce testosterone . Once testosterone is in production it works alongside FSH and stimulates sertoli cells to produce sperm. Sperm production is hindered if either of these are unhealthy. They both work in synergy. You need BOTH to be at healthy levels.

clomid has multiple effects. It's an anti-estrogen, so it obviously decreases the estrogenic effects in your body by stimulating the Hypothalamus back to life and sending gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) to your pituitary, so that LH/FSH can be secreted.

Nolva boosts the effects of clomid because it put clomid into "competition" mode where they both fight for a receptors to bind to. This competitiveness will only occur with the presence of BOTH nolva/clomid, and will inevitably resolve the issue of excess estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This will trigger both LH and FSH to crank UP, as the high estrogen in this cluster is suppressive. This entire scenario is not as effective with only one drug.

Furthermore varying the compounds; Since we know both stimulate LH, what most don't know is that the act is different. clomid boosts the amplitude of LH serum, but has no effect on the frequency. Nolvadex is the complete opposite in that area, where it boosts the actual frequency of LH and has no effect on its amplitude.

You're probably assuming they're identical and overpowering... clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Nolva is also mixed, however.... it is a pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. There is a reason that clomid is not recommended for gynecomastia reversal, but Nolva is.

Can you recover with just Nolvadex , or just clomid? Well, anything is possible. But why would you take that risk if the combination gives you a much better chance? To save a few bucks and risk your health? clomid when coupled with Nolvadex is clearly the safer choice over using either compound individually.

There's NEVER a good reason to spew random information and flood the boards with random statements. You also JUST started a thread asking about running multiple compounds. Does your random rule not apply to you? Not trying to beat you up here, Zero, but let's be logical, at least.


PCT (POST CYCLE THERAPY)

[bigpapabuff]

I go with clomid and nolvadex for my pct. I have for several years now and it seems to work well for me personally.

[Mountainman360]

We have a pct section for this. But, How about you tell us your usual PCT to start us off?

My bad!! I should have added that in the initial post but I have only ran one prohormone cycle and my pct consisted of
Toremifene 120/90/60/60
Exemestane 25/25/12.5/12.5

I didn't skip a beat running this pct. Libido stayed high and BW 30 days after pct was on point as my prior cycle blood work. No ED issues either. I ran epi smash for my cycle

[NACH3]

My bad!! I should have added that in the initial post but I have only ran one prohormone cycle and my pct consisted of
Toremifene 120/90/60/60
Exemestane 25/25/12.5/12.5

I didn't skip a beat running this pct. Libido stayed high and BW 30 days after pct was on point as my prior cycle blood work. No ED issues either. I ran epi smash for my cycle

SERMs only - clomid(Torem - I found out some don't respond well or some do w/Torem) - and tamoxifen (Nolva)

4 wks of clomid - AAS dose and duration depends on pct doses as well! you can run Nolva up to 6 wks on a more aggressive cycle(or when running deca - may need 2 pcts) if you've not recovered fully after first(quoting Austinite)

[Mountainman360]

Testosterone Cypionate + HCG + Dbol? There are 2 major components involved in recovery. Testosterone There's NEVER a good reason to spew random information and flood the boards with random statements. You also JUST started a thread asking about running multiple compounds. Does your random rule not apply to you? Not trying to beat you up here, Zero, but let's be logical, at least. PCT (POST CYCLE THERAPY)

What thread did I ask about running multiple compounds? I'm planning a test only cycle, haven't had plans to add anything to that

[Mountainman360]

SERMs only - clomid(Torem - I found out some don't respond well or some do w/Torem) - and tamoxifen(Nolva) 4 wks of clomid - AAS dose and duration depends on pct doses as well! you can run Nolva up to 6 wks on a more aggressive cycle(or when running deca - may need 2 pcts) if you've not recovered fully after first(quoting Austinite)

I think I'm going to do the basic nolva/clomid next time. I was worried because a lot of people have crappy sides but if they're the best for recovery than I might as well give it a shot and see how I react

[NACH3]

I think I'm going to do the basic nolva/clomid next time. I was worried because a lot of people have crappy sides but if they're the best for recovery than I might as well give it a shot and see how I react

Yeah if you never used clomid I'd definitely give it a go as it works much better paired w/Nolva!

[ojm3]

^^ agreed they work in synergy together for maximum affect.

[Joco71]

I think I'm going to do the basic nolva/clomid next time. I was worried because a lot of people have crappy sides but if they're the best for recovery than I might as well give it a shot and see how I react

Give it a run I think you will be happy with the results.

[Mountainman360]

Will do, looks like that's the standard around here. Just wanted to see if anyone did anything different that works for them.