stuck in a jam about cycle :(

[gavinmyboy]

I am 39 yrs of age with about 19% body fat. I workout regularly. I have done many cycles in the past.
The last cycle i did was a heavy one with test, d bol and eq but i was out of money and skipped pct. I developed and still have noticeable gyno.
Ito make a long story short i thought i may as well do a cycle as i have to get surgery anyways. However i am only doing eq and anavar with no test. I am only on day 7.
I am scared to add test because of the gyro and also money issues.
Will my existing cycle help me get gains if i train super hard with cardio and weights? I already have a gruelling job so it gives me cardio on top of everything.
Please help with any info. possible as i am so confused and lost.

Thks

[Mountainman360]

Everyone is going to tell you you should have been more patient before starting you cycle, making sure you have EVERYTHING on hand, including pct before you started. Also you need to do more research before doing another cycle because you obviously don't know how to cycle properly, everyone knows test should be used as a base for all cycles. Did you use an AI for your last cycle where you got gyno? Also, 19% bf is pretty high especially for someone who had done many cycles. focus on diet, training and getting that gyno taken care of before you think about another cycle. There's plenty of stickys here to get you educated.

[numbere]

I think that you should stop this cycle immediately before you mess yourself up even further. Drop all your compounds then educate yourself, fix your gyno issue and lose some weight.

You should never cycle when you have an existing condition (gyno) and test should always be used as a base.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Word! ^^^^^

[gavinmyboy]

Didn't use an A.I ****ed up obviously.
Wondering why u think i shut stop the cycle...If i use an A.I with it wouldn't that prevent my gyro from getting worse?
I have gotten results from cycles before...i just put on weight b/c i had a bad case of depression recently.
If i add test would u think i shut possibly continjue?

[numbere]

You should stop this cycle because it's unsafe to cycle with a preexisting condition. You should stop this cycle because you have a high percentage of body fat. You should stop this cycle because you don't have the necessary knowledge or compounds to make it successful.

I don't think adding test will fix your problems. Come off everything do lots of research, fix your gyno issue and lose some body fat.

[clarky.]

You should stop this cycle because it's unsafe to cycle with a preexisting condition. You should stop this cycle because you have a high percentage of body fat. You should stop this cycle because you don't have the necessary knowledge or compounds to make it successful.

I don't think adding test will fix your problems. Come off everything do lots of research, fix your gyno issue and lose some body fat.

X2 if you really want to fix this listen.

How long have you had this gyno ??

[gavinmyboy]

2 months or so ive had the gyno.
But the preexisting condition requires surgery anyways doesnt it so why not do the cycle?
I understand id have to diet and stuff quite a bit because this is more of a cutting stack but ya i think if i take arimidex the gyno wont get worse.

[gavinmyboy]

I cant fix the problem without surgery anyways?

[redz]

You want to hear a different answer but the truth is you arent ready to cycle. The cycle you are running is garbage anyways.

[clarky.]

Run nolva 40mg everyday for the first wk then 20mg everyday till gone. It could take several months till it's gone so be patient.
Ralox 120mg everyday for the first wk then 60mg everyday till gone.

[Mountainman360]

Unless you want BIGGER man boobs, I'd listen to these guys.

[gavinmyboy]

Ya ill stop it thks. Regarding nolva ur right it does help it.
Ill just store this shit for a while but thks for all the advice

[mussina123]

Run nolva 40mg everyday for the first wk then 20mg everyday till gone. It could take several months till it's gone so be patient.
Ralox 120mg everyday for the first wk then 60mg everyday till gone.

shouldn't he add some hCG too?

[clarky.]

shouldn't he add some hCG too?

No as i am advising him to take care of his gyno.

[mussina123]

No as i am advising him to take care of his gyno.

ohh yeah duh.. my bad man

[clarky.]

ohh yeah duh.. my bad man

Sound mussina

[AR's King Silabolin]

My take on this. Gyno will not kill you. I think its more important to controll blood pressure and LDL-cholestrol. And triglycerides. And liver, creatinin (kidneys) Those values should be ok before you start a New cycle. Blood pressure and cholestrol are the top 2 deathcauses in the western world and an ignorant approcach to this may cause a early death in the 50s-60s...or even 40s... And how long since your Heavy cycle? Im not into crusing and blasting. You need time off beetween. Many experts (Piana fi) say the same. 3 months. Steroids work so much better if you take time off. Some experts in here will say, ok, but then you will loose it all. It doesnt have to be so. Rigth mindset, proper pct, superb training, Food and supplements will aid strongly during offtime. I loose all my gains if i loose motivation after cycle and skip meals. But if im even more serious about training, diett rest and so on, it doesnt have to be that bad.

[redz]

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If you are trying to grow breasts its a sure thing. Once significant tissue builds up it will worsen. We need to always remember to chose health above stupid risk.

[Simon1972]

I am 39 yrs of age with about 19% body fat. I workout regularly. I have done many cycles in the past.
The last cycle i did was a heavy one with test, d bol and eq but i was out of money and skipped pct. I developed and still have noticeable gyno.
Ito make a long story short i thought i may as well do a cycle as i have to get surgery anyways. However i am only doing eq and anavar with no test. I am only on day 7.
I am scared to add test because of the gyro and also money issues.
Will my existing cycle help me get gains if i train super hard with cardio and weights? I already have a gruelling job so it gives me cardio on top of everything.
Please help with any info. possible as i am so confused and lost.

Thks

if you didnt first start by saying you were 39 i would have bet my life you were 16.

you are basically jumping out of a plane and not purchasing a parachute because it costs too much.

tak everyones advice- STOP and think

[gavinmyboy]

Ya last cyclr was about 5 mth ago so based on that i was hoping to do this cycle especially because neither var nor eq have substantial sides imo.
Ive gotten a swcond view from silabolin now but im thinking to stash the shit because of the gyno anf also because i dont have arimidex on hand.
If i had arimidex or equivalent i feel my gyno wouldnt get much worse if at all.
Also regarding ateroid knowledge i dont think u need much as long as u train and eat right...im sure ill get slammed for this but i just wanna dig this issue! ?

[gavinmyboy]

Yall know more than me so just lookin for help. Isnt anavar and possibly even eq relatively quite low with regards to sides? Pls b honest ppl

[Mountainman360]

Yall know more than me so just lookin for help. Isnt anavar and possibly even eq relatively quite low with regards to sides? Pls b honest ppl

You're still injecting and ingesting hormones into your body and that's going to mess with your natural hormones even more. This guy isn't listening, I give up. Do what you want but when you come back saying 'please help, I'm ****ed up' we're all going to tell you we told you so.

[gavinmyboy]

Bro im listening man damn

[gavinmyboy]

Im not doin it just curious is all

[thephoenix25]

Man, Really?

"Should I do A"
"No"
"OK, what if I re-worded it, should I do B"
"No"
"Ok, so I should do C, I get it"
"No"

Honestly, get your gyno fixed, in the mean time you have no business using steroids, you'll just end up as a steroid negative publicity picture as another guy who grew breasts using steroids. Btw, if your intention is to grow breasts, there are better ways to do it.

Seriously though, save your money, run the gyno reversal protocol mentioned by Clarky, if that fails get the surgery, recover fully and then buy a complete beginner's cycle including AI, HCG and PCT plan and use steroids responsibly.

[gavinmyboy]

With all do respect i have enough money so i just bought arimidex and and cyp so im jusr gonna do it.
Im going to get surgery anyways bc no way around it so **** it

[Mountainman360]

With all do respect i have enough money so i just bought arimidex and and cyp so im jusr gonna do it. Im going to get surgery anyways bc no way around it so **** it

You're lucky everyone here is so kind and willing to give advice, because in a few months when you come back asking for help because you're even more messed up, people here will still help you even though now everyone is telling you not to cycle. Good luck, but you're way too impatient and I have no sympathy for what will happen to you. All everyone here can do it guide you in the right direction, you ultimately make the decision you want. Hate to say it but you're making the wrong one. Good luck with your gyno while you're injecting more test and raising you e levels even higher.

[thephoenix25]

With all do respect i have enough money so i just bought arimidex and and cyp so im jusr gonna do it.
Im going to get surgery anyways bc no way around it so **** it

Irresponsible! Good luck explaining your new boobs to potential partners in the future.

[gavinmyboy]

No direct answers just correcy criticism. Pls use common sense as future posts want answers and then maybe criticism.
Fyi i decided not to do it. Im tooo freaked

[thephoenix25]

future posts want answers and then maybe criticism

This is the point, nobody wants to answer hypothetical questions which "could" lead to you or another reader causing irreversible adverse changes to their body. There is no duty here to answer your questions, only to attempt to lead people in the safest ways to use steroids. Whilst the message may occasionally come across as lighthearted it is usually with your best interest in mind. Glad you decided not to do it, that is the right decision. Good luck.

[Simon1972]

your first cycle failed because you didnt use an AI, so you now have gyno.
you want to do another cycle and decided to not do pct or take an AI or add test for that matter because you already have gyno.

you dont want test because you have money issues and are scared of gyno ( see first post)
You dont care if you get gyno - because you need surgery anyway ( see post 8 & 9)
You are confused- inspite of already doing a cycle ( see post 1)
you are not confused- everyone else is (see post 21)

i stand my case- you are a 16 year old pretending to be 39

[thisAngelBites]

No direct answers just correcy criticism.

Plenty of direct answers, you are just ignoring them.

[austinite]

This thread is a perfect example why tenured members become frustrated. If you're genuinely looking for advice, try listening more and arguing less. It's a waste of everyone's time when folks know they would be ignoring all advice.

Just do whatever you want and don't waste people's time.

[thisAngelBites]

This thread is a perfect example why tenured members become frustrated. If you're genuinely looking for advice, try listening more and arguing less. It's a waste of everyone's time when folks know they would be ignoring all advice.

Just do whatever you want and don't waste people's time.

Exactly.

What is the point of the persistent arguing? Even if someone could hypothetically wear down people here and get them to agree, is the thinking that this is going to get the chemicals to magically do what is desired instead of what they biochemically do? There's no opinion or strong wish that can change what biochemically happens when a person in a particular state takes a certain chemical, period. Why argue about it?

[gavinmyboy]

hey Simon i got the money to use ai and test. Just wondering why u need to be so rude? My gyno is getting better. I have too look good somehow b/c my surgery isnt till end of the yr. Im sure you'd do the same big. I mean i have not gottten a actual answer other than what a 5 year old can think off lol guy

[Simon1972]

hey Simon i got the money to use ai and test. Just wondering why u need to be so rude? My gyno is getting better. I have too look good somehow b/c my surgery isnt till end of the yr. Im sure you'd do the same big. I mean i have not gottten a actual answer other than what a 5 year old can think off lol guy

I wasn't being rude.
I condensed your emails into one easy to read post.

39 year olds don't use grammer and sentence structure as poorly as you do. You lied about your age, or if you truly are 39, then someone of your IQ should refrain from using anabolics.

[gavinmyboy]

Lol ru kidding me? This is a forum guy and have u thought some people dont post much and thus the grammar issue??
Lol ur talking about grammar and such crap which shows ur having a rage bro.
U dont even know what ur posting. Ur simply writing crap that is fully lacking intelligence. The other posts actually make sense

[gavinmyboy]

It doesnt matter what u are saying because i stopped the cycle. But to make such retarded remarks just makes me think u cant stand people who are challenging u lol

[davidtheman100]

It doesnt matter what u are saying because i stopped the cycle. But to make such retarded remarks just makes me think u cant stand people who are challenging u lol

You asked a question and you were given good advice that was the best for your health and well being as well as what would be the best advice for your bodybuilding lifestyle going forward.