First Cycle

**Biogart** · 07-19-2015, 06:51 AM

I'm just looking for some feedback for my first cycle. I am 34 years old and have been lifting for 8 years now. Last year I injured my neck and shoulder and ever since I haven't been able to get my strength back. I'm on my 7th week of and 8 week cycle of test prop EOD 125mg and letro 0.25mg EOD. I'm starting HCG today 2 times weekly Sunday and Thursday at 250iu. I've had some really good gains.

I've already got my seconds cycle planded out and understand the time of factor. I'll be waiting 12 weeks to start that. Going to do test e 500mg weekly with the 0.25mg letro for 12 weeks.

I've read many conflicting stories about HCG staying to start at the beginning of the cycle of wait till the last few weeks of the cycle which I'm doing in my first cycle. What do some of you seasoned guys think?

205lbs
18% BF

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 07-19-2015, 07:58 AM

You should run hCG from the first week of you cycle until 3 days before you start PCT.

**Back In Black** · 07-19-2015, 08:01 AM

What is your pct plan?

**Biogart** · 07-19-2015, 08:32 AM

Guess I could have posted that to. I'm doing the following recommendations that I've found on this forum with nolva and clomid for three weeks following three days after last pin. 40/20/20

**Back In Black** · 07-19-2015, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Biogart

Guess I could have posted that to. I'm doing the following recommendations that I've found on this forum with nolva and clomid for three weeks following three days after last pin. 40/20/20

I'm not sure I've ever seen a recommendation for 3 weeks an you haven't mentioned clomid dosing.

Clomid 75/50/59/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Yes, start 3 days after last pin.

**Biogart** · 07-19-2015, 10:16 AM

Maybe I misread it then. Thanks for the advice. I've got enough of everything to get me through my second cycle.

I don't really understand how to come up with a pct plan based on the cycle. I do understand the difference between the SERMs and AIs.

So with that being said would I still follow the same recommendations for PCT on my next cycle of Test E 500mg/week, HCG 250iu 2/week, and Letro 0.25mg/EOD for 10 weeks?

Also my concentration of Test E is 250mg/mL and I don't want to pin 2mL once a week. Would it be beneficial to pin twice weekly at 250mL say every Sunday and Thursday with my HCG?

How would you suggest administering my HCG, sub q or IM?

**dubrovin1012** · 07-19-2015, 01:23 PM

I start hcg on 2nd week because imo those two shots are a waste due to those first pins don't effect anything.

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**NACH3** · 07-19-2015, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Biogart

Maybe I misread it then. Thanks for the advice. I've got enough of everything to get me through my second cycle.

I don't really understand how to come up with a pct plan based on the cycle. I do understand the difference between the SERMs and AIs.

So with that being said would I still follow the same recommendations for PCT on my next cycle of Test E 500mg/week, HCG 250iu 2/week, and Letro 0.25mg/EOD for 10 weeks?run the pct BIB laid out for you! And yes, run your AI(up to pct starting time then drop) and HCG from the start up to 3 days prior to your pct starting!

Also my concentration of Test E is 250mg/mL and I don't want to pin 2mL once a week. Would it be beneficial to pin twice weekly at 250mL say every Sunday and Thursday with my HCG?for more stable blood levels pin twice a wk - e3.5d!

How would you suggest administering my HCG, sub q or IM?

you can do either - I prefer not to mix water based(HCG) and oil(gear) together - so I pin HCG subQ!

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**NACH3** · 07-19-2015, 04:28 PM

[QUOTE=Back In Black;7080918]I'm not sure I've ever seen a recommendation for 3 weeks an you haven't mentioned clomid dosing.

Clomid 75/50/59/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I may have missed something... And I did running prop now...

**Biogart** · 07-19-2015, 05:09 PM

Test E will be the second cycle. Running Test Prop right now. I wouldn't mix the HCG and Test together in the same injection. Just doesn't sound right to me.

**NACH3** · 07-19-2015, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Biogart

Test E will be the second cycle. Running Test Prop right now. I wouldn't mix the HCG and Test together in the same injection. Just doesn't sound right to me.

Ok that's what I missed - thx - I'll erase my post - as BIB stated!

**bloodchoke** · 07-19-2015, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Biogart

Also my concentration of Test E is 250mg/mL and I don't want to pin 2mL once a week. Would it be beneficial to pin twice weekly at 250mL say every Sunday and Thursday with my HCG?

The "E" in test-E is the ester enanthate . Read about the the esters (propionate , enanthate, cypionate ) and their half-lives and the needs of your pinning schedule will become clearer. Also, PCT+[Cycle time] = [time off] is popular, but starting another cycle after blood work shows everything is operating normally is the only real safe protocol. I'm new, too, and I made some of the mistakes as you with my first cycle.

From what I can tell, people get messed up from using gear not from the harshness of the AAS they're using, but from cutting corners with ancillaries (AI, hCG , poor PCT) and from failing to exercising patience. There is a TON of good info on this site. Read all the sticky posts. Good luck!