Ultra Rip 400 cycle questions

[TheTaxMan]

Hi guys
Havent been on here for a while

Quick history and profile

Im almost 28 weigh 13.4stone, 5ft 8
Trained since 19 weight was 9.4 stone

started gear at 22 I think, done 3 cycles

-First was test e 500mg a week for 12 weeks.
-Second was test e 500mg a week, deca 400mg a week for 12 weeks.
-Third was test c 400mg a week for 14 weeks.

Diet is always clean and high protein, I react well to gear always gain almost 2 stone and manage to keep around half of it after pct and water retention has gone. Not experienced many sides except low libido during the deca cycle which i expected but it cleared up straight after nolva and clomid pct.

I havent had any gear for about 16months and want to try a cutting/lean mini bulk and have decided to try Tren.

I know you should always use Tren A to see how you react etc but I really hate ed or eod injections, twice a week is more than enough jabs for me :/ hate needles lol, also injection sites are a big problem, i only feel confident injecting my delts, injected my quad once and my leg shot in the air and bled quite bad and once in my glute i struggle to reach around etc.

Anyway, i have decided to use tren e and came across a product called ultra rip 400 made by chemical solutions

It has test e 200mg, tren e 100mg, mast e 100mg per 1ml and is a very good price, much better than ordering everything seperate.

I am thinking of running this at a dose of 2ml a week for 10 weeks meaning i will be on 400mg test e, 200mg tren e, 200mg mast e per week, 1ml in each delt 3.5 days apart

With this being my first tren cycle and gambling with the potential sides i feel 200mg a week is a sensible approach, but will i see gains? Im reading some people taking 400-500mg of tren a week but others saying thats way too much.

I am about to order 2x 10ml bottles of ultra rip 400 but would just like to see peoples thoughts

Any help, opinions and advice would be appreciated

Cheers

[NACH3]

What's your bf%?? And pick one - lean bulk or cut... Not both!

The only thing about mixes is you can't titrate your doses accurately which each compound - what if you wanted to run higher test - your adding more mgs to each other compound instead of using test e/Tren in there own - just my .02 - as I tried it once - never again - aborted due to Tren not being able to dose what I wanted including the test/mast as well!

I'd say get vials of test e and Tren e/a...

[TheTaxMan]

12% bf dude

I guess i got to try it before i can say what dose i like though? The other big attraction is 20ml of ultra rip is xx amount and ordering individual bottles is xxxxx amount lol

I know myself and from advice in the past to go either bulk or cut,

i guess im looking to bulk (not the test and deca kind of bulk) i want lean body mass bulk, hence the compounds ive decided on using

Thanks for the reply

[NACH3]

12% bf dude

I guess i got to try it before i can say what dose i like though? The other big attraction is 20ml of ultra rip is xx amount and ordering individual bottles is xxxxx amount lol

I know myself and from advice in the past to go either bulk or cut,

i guess im looking to bulk (not the test and deca kind of bulk) i want lean body mass bulk, hence the compounds ive decided on using

Thanks for the reply

Yeah I got a free 20ml vial of Ultradex(same thing) for free from last order... They look great on paper - but at least the doses your using 400/200/200 is a good starting point for Tren - however being the ethenate ester your locked in the cycle IF things went south... As opposed to ace b/c it'll clear in 3 days rather than 2wks...

What's your AI HCG DA?? Pct protocol??

[TheTaxMan]

This comes in 10ml multi and combined with pct comes to £150, if i buy everything seperate its almost £250 (£100 or $165 difference)
had i not had a 1 year old and a mortgage etc i could juggle funds a bit more but this stuff suits my current budget very well. Big selling point for me and im hoping to achieve a lean bulk (not anywhere near the weight gain from deca and test, but i dont want to be much bigger as im 5ft8 and currently 185lbs/84kg/13.4stone)

My total target is around another 14lbs as well as reducing body fat, wether i achieve that in this cycle or in the future (theres no rush)

My pct has always been clomid and nolva combo.
100mg clomid + 40mg nolva a day for 7 days followed by 50mg clomid + 20mg nolva for 7 days, 2 weeks after my last injection (always use long esters) always recover well, strength drops along with the bloat but not by much or anything of a worry to me.

I aways keep arimidex to hand but havent needed it as of yet.

I tried a test prop cycle in the past and couldnt keep up with the ed or eod injections and decided to stop after a week with a pct, gave it time and went on the enth instead, i much prefer injecting once or twice a week, it just suits me better, thats why ive chose tren e instead of tren a

Although very basic ive tolerated my previous cycles well, plus other stuff ive tried in my younger days, narcotics or alcohol. Im hoping im lucky i will tolerate 200mg of tren E a week, although its an entire different ball game comparing alcohol with steroids im just explaining a bit of my experiences with stuff.

I am more worried i wouldnt get gains from 200mg a week than have problems, ive had people suggest to me 400mg (which i think is far too much wether that be tren a or tren e for a first time tren user - ive gathered this from multiple weeks of researching tren on several forums and logs)

[NACH3]

This comes in 10ml multi and combined with pct comes to £150, if i buy everything seperate its almost £250 (£100 or $165 difference)
had i not had a 1 year old and a mortgage etc i could juggle funds a bit more but this stuff suits my current budget very well. Big selling point for me and im hoping to achieve a lean bulk (not anywhere near the weight gain from deca and test, but i dont want to be much bigger as im 5ft8 and currently 185lbs/84kg/13.4stone)

My total target is around another 14lbs as well as reducing body fat, wether i achieve that in this cycle or in the future (theres no rush)

My pct has always been clomid and nolva combo.
100mg clomid + 40mg nolva a day for 7 days followed by 50mg clomid + 20mg nolva for 7 days, 2 weeks after my last injection (always use long esters) always recover well, strength drops along with the bloat but not by much or anything of a worry to me.

I aways keep arimidex to hand but havent needed it as of yet.

I tried a test prop cycle in the past and couldnt keep up with the ed or eod injections and decided to stop after a week with a pct, gave it time and went on the enth instead, i much prefer injecting once or twice a week, it just suits me better, thats why ive chose tren e instead of tren a

Although very basic ive tolerated my previous cycles well, plus other stuff ive tried in my younger days, narcotics or alcohol. Im hoping im lucky i will tolerate 200mg of tren E a week, although its an entire different ball game comparing alcohol with steroids im just explaining a bit of my experiences with stuff.

I am more worried i wouldnt get gains from 200mg a week than have problems, ive had people suggest to me 400mg (which i think is far too much wether that be tren a or tren e for a first time tren user - ive gathered this from multiple weeks of researching tren on several forums and logs)

I think your dose of Tren is fine for a first Tren cycle(it's equivalent to 1g of test anabolic/androgenic rating) so you'll see results!

However, your supposed to use your AI from the start not if you feel sides(AIs do more than lowering/balancing your E2 - although that is your main concern)! HCG? Needs to be run on cycle at 250iu e3.5d!! Also, get a DA(prami/caber) for prolactin(as Tren/nandrolone - 19nors are progestins) and if your not running an AI from the start your E2 will elevate as well as your prolactin(prolactin follows E2)!

Check this out...

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-reversal.html

[TheTaxMan]

So i need to run say arimidex 0.25 eod from 2 weeks after my first jab and increase if needed? Or shall i take 0.5? Eod I hear taking to much arimidex can hinder the gains correct?

And i need hcg from the start? Or 2 weeks in given they are long And the prolactic i get some caber and take 0.25 every 3 days i gather from the link you sent? Sorry if ive over looked ive had a fast read while eating dinner

Thanks Nach

[NACH3]

So i need to run say arimidex 0.25 eod from 2 weeks after my first jab and increase if needed? Or shall i take 0.5? Eod I hear taking to much arimidex can hinder the gains correct?

And i need hcg from the start? Or 2 weeks in given they are long And the prolactic i get some caber and take 0.25 every 3 days i gather from the link you sent? Sorry if ive over looked ive had a fast read while eating dinner

Thanks Nach

Make sure you get pre-cycle blood work to compare your post pct(6-8wks) then the only way to know and to adjust your AI DA(caber/or prami) is thru mid cycle BW(so around wks 6-7 pull them)

In the mean time, yes start your AI at beginning of cycle... At .25mgs EOD - that's the standard starting dose - and yes if you have caber take it 2x wkly at .25mgs for prolactin... Try not to adjust your AI until mid cycle blood work b/c you'll get a skewed reading if you've been upping and lowering it!

And you'll run your AI through the clearing process then drop b4 starting pct! HCG you want to start it at the beginning of cycle as well and use it up to 3 days prior to starting pct!

[TheTaxMan]

Thanks for taking the time to explain all that, I appreciate it

[TheTaxMan]

After looking over the products from my source i have a couple of options (please bare in mind i will only use long ester so got to watch the tren dose) theres hardly no difference in price between option 1 and 2.
Option 3 is the cheapest.

Option 1 - 20ml ultra rip - total cycle cost £170
10 weeks
400mg test e, 200mg tren e, 200mg mast e

Option 2 - 10ml test, 20 ml tren e - total cycle cost £173
10 weeks
100mg test e, 400mg tren e

Option 3 - 10ml test e, 10ml tren e - cheapest total £113
10 weeks
100mg test e, 200mg tren e

Could even go option 2 but only take 250-300mg tren e instead of pushing 400mg. id have to buy 2x10ml vials but could save some for next time

Is it worth ditching the 200mg mast e for a better test/tren ratio?

[NACH3]

Just FYI - you can't talk prices on the board...

I'd go higher than 100mgs w/test - that's a low TRT dose - I'd go w/200-250mgs wkly and just get tren e so you can titrate down if too much(400 may be a little steep for a first timer w/tren - I like two but just b/c I don't like mixes - and you'll be able to control your cycle better w/individual compounds

I'd keep the mast e only if your bf is say at 10% or lower... Or It'll also help combat some sides of the tren -

[Juced_porkchop]

12-14 weeks MIN with test, add tren for 10 of those weeks....
200-300mg ew tren is good enough IMO and i wont personally pass 400mg/wk.
so go 500mg teste ew for 12 or 14 weeks and 10wks tren at what ever dose you can afford below 400mg ew ( try 200mg ew if new to it)

[TheTaxMan]

Thanks guys
Im deciding on 250mg of test evand 250mg tren e for 12 weeks

[TheTaxMan]

Thanks guys
Im deciding on 250mg of test e and 250mg tren e for 12 weeks

My bf is 16% my good friend checked me out today so im writing off the mast e

Im going to run a clean diet with fish chicken and beef, low fat, with cardio anc go for test/tren e 12 weeks 250mg each

[NACH3]

Thanks guys
Im deciding on 250mg of test evand 250mg tren e for 12 weeks

I think that you'll be happier w/this - as you'll have less chance of harsh sides w/that dose yet still able to make great gains - barring your diet/& training are dialed in! GL on your journey and be safe!

[Back In Black]

Run the test longer than the tren.